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Sorry, I need to vent. Second home owners!

255 replies

Querlouse · 04/05/2020 09:02

I live in a small village in a quiet farming area. One of the old cottages was bought by a family from London about 18 months ago, they spent a long time getting planning permission but have now started works.

They are coming down and meeting mates there every weekend. Yesterday I walked past (footpath runs alongside house) and there were two massive flashy Landrovers not really relevant cars outside and three blokes, at least two women and four kids all hanging out in the big garden. The house is currently uninhabitable so they aren't staying there permanently.

Dh says just forget about it but its really annoying me! Our village is generally really old and we've had no cases of cv so far.

It's not OK to drive 3 hours from London to a village then meet mates is it??

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Pasghetti · 05/05/2020 00:10

OP YANBU. It's not an essential journey, they are taking the piss. Even if they needed to meet a builder one person could come. And yes strangely enough people living fulltime in tourist areas don't want waves of tourists coming from cities at the minute. Because it's not 'just one' group. It's a ripple effect of people thinking, 'Well Jimmy went to his second home so we should be ok to go too'. Luckily the police have been good in our area at setting up checkpoints and word has gone out that they are watching out for tourists but there are definitely a few who have slipped through the net.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/05/2020 00:39

If they drive electric cars, not so much of a problem. If they're petrol or diesel they have to stop for fuel, so increasing potential contact.

I don't think there are any electric 'massive flashy land rovers'Grin (are there any family sized pure electric cars which can be driven for 3 hours at a stretch anyway?Confused)

No, it doesn't sound like they should be doing this, OP. Whether they're really any risk to people in your area is hard to say (maybe they're transporting all their food for 3 hours in cool boxes rather than buying when they arrive) but if they followed the general advice to stay local then they would definitely be zero risk to you.

PotholeParadise · 05/05/2020 01:14

OP, YANBU.

Meeting up with other household in a distant location is against the guidelines and against the spurit of the guidelines.

People have been saying that you shouldn't drive to a local park in the same town in case you have a car accident and expose a paramedic to your germs.

What are the probabilities that these families are bringing everything they eat and drink from their home, and absolutely refusing to make toilet stops on the drives to and from the property?

I still think the lack of checks at airports is relevant. That family might see all the unchecked non essential flights arriving at Heathrow daily and think lockdown has been relaxed.

Only if they are as dense as concrete.

ToffeeYoghurt · 05/05/2020 01:21

Why dense Pothole?
Thousands are arriving on non essential flights daily unchecked with no quarantine. Who knows where in the UK they head off to. Largely on public transport. Far more of a risk than a single family driving in a private vehicle.

ToffeeYoghurt · 05/05/2020 01:25

Btw people are allowed to drive somewhere locally for exercise. It's been explicitly stated.

SleightOfMind · 05/05/2020 01:27

If you look at the ONS maps, you can clearly see the spread from major conurbations to picturesque, holiday-home areas.
Most of those people have now been locked down in their corona retreat and are no longer a risk but gallivanting around the country now is careless and selfish.

ToffeeYoghurt · 05/05/2020 01:32

Sleight Yes. After the government allowed the spread to come from abroad to major cities, loads of people left those cities to return home to their families.

People might still be travelling from cities to rural areas. We don't know where the travellers arriving at airports head on to.

SpokeTooSoon · 05/05/2020 01:36

I am so over these threads. It doesn’t come off as concern for virus spread. Small-minded jealousy and/or mistrust of “outsiders”. All the thread are the same.

Can I start a thread about all the foreigners piling into London since February bringing their germs with them? Multiple flights from Milan at the height of the spread there. Literally bussing the virus into central London and letting it spread its tentacles all over via the tube. Am I allowed to criticise that? Do the countryside folk give a shit?

Oh I forgot, we have a hospital on every street corner and 6 ICU beds per street. We’ll be fine!

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SailingAwayIntoSunrise · 05/05/2020 02:08

@SpokeTooSoon 👏

ToffeeYoghurt · 05/05/2020 02:11

@SpokeTooSoon
Hospitals on every corner Grin
Excellent post.

TwelveMonkeys · 05/05/2020 02:11

Yeah, maybe it's not intentional OP, but the tone of your thread definitely sounds like an angry rant about "bloody Londoners coming into our beautiful old village with their second homes and building works and what have you".

SleightOfMind · 05/05/2020 02:24

I’m a Londoner, working from home with four DC and we were tempted to go and stay in our family cottage in Dorset.
DH and I commute into work on public transport, the DC’s schools had only just locked down, we all could have been asymptomatic yet still infectious.
We stayed here.
Back in March, lots of people who left the cities, may not have realised the risks.
Now there is absolutely no excuse for this kind of behaviour.

Reginabambina · 05/05/2020 02:36

It sounds like you’re just envious and your trying to pass it off as self righteous anger.

ToffeeYoghurt · 05/05/2020 02:45

Sleight the majority who left cities were rural locals returning to their families in their home villages and towns. There were lots of threads where posters spoke about their adult children coming back.

Some of those still going from cities to rural areas presumably are coming off the flights arriving daily at Heathrow.

Thousands of passengers arriving unchecked with no quarantine. We need some flights - freight, military, medical, but we're also receiving regular non essential travellers. Reduced numbers but still thousands.

I also assume you think there was no excuse for the behaviour of the many thousands who continued commuting into London (after returning home from Italian ski trips, etc)?

Bool · 05/05/2020 06:46

They may have had it already and are immune. I think we will find a lot of people in London have when they finally roll the antibody test out.

Theredjellybean · 05/05/2020 08:32

OP.. I don't know why you got such a roasting either.
It immaterial that these people are meeting up for a jolly at their second home or in their primary home or in a park or on a beach or wherever... The guidelines say do not mix with people outside your household.
Secondly do not make non essential journeys.

So why suddenly is mn full of people who think these guidelines have vanished or do not apply anymore.

If what these people are doing is OK.. I presume mnetters have no problem with me going off to spend the day with my friends walking on the beach and stopping for a bbq.. Cus we will stay a 2m distance from anyone else and the liklihood of us needing any assistance from nhs or fire brigade is low... Thats OK then isn't it?

Bluntness100 · 05/05/2020 09:29

So why suddenly is mn full of people who think these guidelines have vanished or do not apply anymore

People don’t think the guidelines have vanished, what people are doing now is applying critical thinking. They are able to assess risk and make a balanced decision.

In this scenario the people involved came no where near any locals. The op has no basis to assume they went shopping in the local village. It’s highly likely they brought any food with them.

In addition as much as they mixed two households, no one knows if this is the first time they have been out in nearly two months, have their shopping delivered etc, work from home, and both sets knew full well they are not infected so they were not at risk to each other.

So yes as much as it is “against the guidelines” common sense also needs to be applied. And as such getting your arse in your hands over something that may have absolutely caused no one any harm is ludicrous.

As we move into phase two of this, the ability to critical think is going to be vital. The ability to assess risk and make a decision. I understand some people cannot do this. But many can.

That’s why the op has the reaction she is getting. People are using their critical thinking skills, assessing the risk, and on balance finding that although they agree the rules were broken, but in a one off scenario with little to likely no risk at all, then she has no reason to be up in arms.

In addition, the nuances in her post smack of envy. Envy of the second home, the cars etc and it feels like this is what’s driving her, not an overwhelming desire to see the guidelines strictly adhered to and deep fury they have not been,

Because if it was just about the rules she’d not be caring what kind of cars they drove, their lifestyles, etc, it would be irrelevant to her.

Justjn1 · 05/05/2020 09:44

@Querlouse I cannot understand why you've been jumped on for this post at all. They are quite clearly breaking the Lockdown rules as they should not be meeting friends irrespective of where they have travelled from and that's without the fact they shouldn't be travelling to second homes. And they absolutely do create unnecessary risk in doing so, so when people are arguing the contrary it just beggars belief. Yes they could break down and require road side assistance. Worse they could have an accident and pull emergency services away from those in need of these services. And YES as @SansaSnark stated: If they are mixing with other households, then they're potentially putting several communities at risk. It doesn't matter whether that risk is small or great, it is still unnecessary risk. Of course people should apply critical thinking during phase 2 and yes rules will possibly relaxed soon. But, we're not in phase 2 yet nor have the rules been relaxed!

PotholeParadise · 05/05/2020 10:41

^Why densePothole?
Thousands are arriving on non essential flights daily unchecked with no quarantine. Who knows where in the UK they head off to. Largely on public transport. Far more of a risk than a single family driving in a private vehicle.^

Because it would require none of them ever read a newspaper, watched TV, or even had facebook or any other form of social media.

What you mean is that they might have noticed there are some flights and they might have concluded that those people are breaking the rules and then decided that they're not going to follow them either.

In which case, the OP should cut her losses and get the wicker man ready.

I don't know why they are like it, but ime the kind of person who focuses on how assiduously other people are following the rules before they decide whether to follow them never stops at giving themselves an extra inch of leeway in response to rulebreaking. They always take a mile (or twenty). If their justification for anything they're doing is "flights!", assume the family frequented the local shops by the second home, fondled all the produce they weren't buying and used the toilets at the motorway services without flushing.

Theredjellybean · 05/05/2020 10:59

@bluntness100

You assume everyone in the country has the ability to critically think...
Everyone has the intellect and skills to do this.

That assumption alone makes me doubt your ability to make rational decisions

TabbyMumz · 05/05/2020 12:12

Yes, they are wrong and shouldn't be doing it, but hey ho, they arent axe murderers and if they arent mixing with anyone else, they cant pass it on.

TwelveMonkeys · 05/05/2020 12:37

You assume everyone in the country has the ability to critically think...
Everyone has the intellect and skills to do this.

That assumption alone makes me doubt your ability to make rational decisions

Well, she did say in her post above yours:

As we move into phase two of this, the ability to critical think is going to be vital. The ability to assess risk and make a decision. I understand some people cannot do this. But many can

Oops

TabbyMumz · 05/05/2020 12:46

"Thousands are arriving on non essential flights daily unchecked"
I dont think so. If you look on flight apps there are hardly any planes coming in at all.