Fat people even more likely to be affected by COVID than previously thought

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UK government scientists are urgently investigating whether people living with obesity may be disproportionately affected by the coronavirus, after emerging data from intensive care units suggested a stronger link than previously thought.

New data from the UK’s Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre, which has been presented to ministers and SAGE scientists, has found that the proportion of severely obese patients in ICUs is twice the proportion in the general population.

Ministers have become increasingly alarmed by data coming out of Britain’s intensive care units, with some members of the government suggesting obesity may end up being a factor in the UK’s higher death toll.

The UK is currently projected to have the highest number of coronavirus deaths in Europe. Around 1 in 4 UK adults are obese. In 2018, the WHO found that the UK had the third highest obesity rate in Europe, behind only Malta and Turkey.

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www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/uk-scientists-coronavirus-obesity-link

@hamstersarse and as has already been pointed back you need to reduce calorie intake

Seriously, in the thick of the biggest health scare for 40 years, reported daily by proper newspapers across the world, if you have read any of the articles from beginning to end, then it is obvious that (a) corona-virus is a very nasty bug that can hit anyone but is serious for those in poor health, older than 70, or overweight.

My dh eats the way Xenia jas suggested - he never eats breakfast and barely drinks anything other than water and coffee. He's in great shape.

@XingMing what are you on about!

No one has said this isn't correct!

@Querlouse my other half eats all three meals and has a BMI if 20. Not sure what your point it?

@hamstersarse and as has already been pointed back you need to reduce calorie intake

It’s not as simple as that, the body isn’t a straightforward combustion engine. A calorie is not a calorie to the body. It matters on the type of calorie you consume

Again, the advice we have been given is wrong. And the whole ‘move more eat less’ vastly oversimplifies what we need to do to lose weight

grumpyorange alright keep your hair on! It was an observation!

There does seem to be a lot of research extolling fasting or lchf diets but tbh if you are morbidly obese then moving a bit more and dropping huge portions and cakes is probably all you need to do to lose weight.

Now you are literally making stuff up to suit the victim narrative.

I don’t think I’m a victim in the slightest. But plenty of threads on here have said exactly that about obese people.

On this thread? I don't think so. I can't speak for all the threads on mumsnet!

Fat people die quicker, and more often than thin people

How can they die more often?

I hate to break it to you, but no one gets out of this alive.

@Querlouse maybe not, but the attitudes displayed towards obese people on here are repeated on many threads on mumsnet. Believe me, when you read multiple threads where people saying people like oneself are disgusting and they hate seeing them, you do kind of remember it. Just because you haven’t seen them doesn’t mean anyone is making anything up.

I’m sorry if you have experienced that @sudukabook

FWIW I think the nutrition information given to people is the scandalous thing and don’t blame any individual for being obese in any way.

I don’t think they’ve a failure of willpower. Because they haven’t. Could it really be possible that 63% of the population have had a total willpower failure?

Of course not!
We are just not given currect information. E.g. that fat doesn’t make you fat, and a calorie is not a calorie

I’m with hamstersarse. High fat low carb and intermittent fasting are bloody brilliant. Read either Taubes (Why we get fat) or Fung (The obesity code) as they explain the role of the endocrine system in weight gain. It all makes perfect sense to me and is the only thing that’s ever worked. I don’t eat breakfast as I’m not hungry.
If you’re sick of calorie counting, deprivation, being starving and doing chronic cardio it could be worth a try?

I agree generally but low carb not always the best for women, especially those with thyroid or hormone issues. So lower carb. Also there is research that 14 hour fasts more optimal for women than longer fasts

@ToffeeYoghurt tried everything, Xolair is my last option. At one point I was on the equivalent of 28 antihistamines

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

I agree that women need to do fasting and LCHF differently to men. They need some carbs and shorter fasts pre menstruation.

But LCHF generally helps balance hormones and thyroid in the research and anecdotal I’ve seen...but in line with their cycle.

Yes - it’s highly individual. Some women seem ok for a year or so and then their thyroid tanks

Yes - I am an experimenter. I started on Keto but now, long term, I eat more carbs than Keto allows and it still works. I definitely notice different needs around my period (vastly different athletic performance too depending on time of month).
Sometimes people think it is permanent Atkins induction eg no veg and drinking double cream and it really isn’t anywhere near as strict or extreme as that.

Carter thank you .

Tbh reading all this has actually helped a wee bit , get back on it ... and go further than before . Replaced chips with cauliflower rice tonight - not the most pleasant but felt better for it for sure . Third day of eating absolutely no mayo too . Then a mile’s walk which with being my weight and being very agoraphobic is definitely an achievement .

I just hope I’m not too late in sorting things out, and that I don’t catch coronavirus, that absolutely terrifies me . Scarier even than when my mum’s OD’d somehow - the thought that this invisible thing could come in and wreck havoc and it could be all my fault (for being fat) .

I just hope I’m not too late in sorting things out, and that I don’t catch coronavirus, that absolutely terrifies me . Scarier even than when my mum’s OD’d somehow - the thought that this invisible thing could come in and wreck havoc and it could be all my fault (for being fat)

I feel the same x hang in there we’ll get there

Obviously weight plays a role in all diseases that put stress on the respiratory system, and the heart.

Heart and lungs are already much more under strain if you are carrying a lot of fat.

A lot of people carry just a bit extra though, I never see these morbidly obese people mentioned on here. Only on American TV shows!

@lesbihonest

If you have agoraphobia then getting on a walk of any length is a great achievement, well done! I hope it gets easier for you as you get out more often.

@TheHumansAreDefinitelyDead

A lot of people carry just a bit extra though, I never see these morbidly obese people mentioned on here. Only on American TV shows!

Really I’m surprised . Because morbidly obese is ( roughly ) a BMI of 49 and above and there are many many people in the Uk like this. People at your work, where you shop, living in your street, in your family.

Perhaps you don’t have a realistic idea of what morbidly obese actually looks like?

Fat people die quicker, and more often than thin people

Fat people get reserrected or reincarnated more than thin people?

Maybe it's thin people who are doing stuff wrong!