Fat people even more likely to be affected by COVID than previously thought

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UK government scientists are urgently investigating whether people living with obesity may be disproportionately affected by the coronavirus, after emerging data from intensive care units suggested a stronger link than previously thought.

New data from the UK’s Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre, which has been presented to ministers and SAGE scientists, has found that the proportion of severely obese patients in ICUs is twice the proportion in the general population.

Ministers have become increasingly alarmed by data coming out of Britain’s intensive care units, with some members of the government suggesting obesity may end up being a factor in the UK’s higher death toll.

The UK is currently projected to have the highest number of coronavirus deaths in Europe. Around 1 in 4 UK adults are obese. In 2018, the WHO found that the UK had the third highest obesity rate in Europe, behind only Malta and Turkey.

More here:
www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/uk-scientists-coronavirus-obesity-link

Oh I know. Same as “Obese people are disgusting, I hate seeing them” at the same time as “they should get out and exercise”

Now you are literally making stuff up to suit the victim narrative.

Literally noone on this thread has said this.

" there was simply no money left for junk food."

Some junk food is really cheap though e.g. white bread and jam. If you do have enough money to get a take away, chips are probably the cheapest option. Greggs sell plenty of ready-to-eat stuff for less than a pound.

We won't solve the world's obesity epidemic on h ere but it is taking up huge amounts of the NHS resources and most doctors would like it solved.

One way to start solving it would be for anyone over weight only to drink tap water and not to eat until lunch etc. Very simple extremely cheap options and eating a lot less food and do not even require you to have a microwave or hob.

@Xenia not to eat until lunch etc.

Think your find that doctors encourage people trying to loose weight to eat breakfast...

At least check your facts

It’s a very weird thing that posters on this thread want to insist ‘fat people’ are high risk but also that they shouldn’t be allowed to shield. The logical outcome is that you are quite comfortable with fat people dying to prove a point.

Xenia’s 70s style diet advice is very special and likely to be particularly dangerous for the most high risk obese people with metabolic syndrome including type 2 diabetes.

There is much evidence that obesity is a big risk factor.

The body of an obese person is in a constant state of inflammation. Trying to reduce the harm done by excessive sugar, refined starch and refined oils - foods which literally inflame the body

A body already in a state of inflammation is less able to fight off viral infection.

Obesity is a disease to the body. Despite some of the narrative, it is virtually impossible to be healthy with obesity.

Doctors have been warning about the obesity crisis for years yet somehow we’ve Ignored it and turned this into a vanity thing. It’s far from vanity, obesity kills.

@grumpyorange

Think your find that doctors encourage people trying to loose weight to eat breakfast...

I’d suggest you research the health benefits of fasting and autophagy.
Xenia is not wrong

@hamstersarse yep I have and spoken to medical professionals etc. As I can quote from scientific studies. 'studies have shown that eating a meal in the morning boosts your metabolism more than eating the same meal in the evening.'
Therefore in order to stimulate your metabolism to burn off excess weight and fat you are encouraged to eat in the morning. If you are going to fast a meal it is suggested to skip lunch or dinner.

@hamstersarse @Xenia from the NHS website itself.

Research suggests people who eat breakfast are slimmer

Research suggests rapid weight loss can slow your metabolism, leading to future weight gain, and deprive your body of essential nutrients. What's more, crash diets can weaken your immune system and increase your risk of dehydration, heart palpitations, and cardiac stress

Immune system more important than ever now no?

I think you are incorrect @grumpyorange, sorry

The advice given generally by the NHS is deeply flawed

Fasting is extremely good for the body and there is no such thing as ‘kick starting your metabolism’

The NHS advice doesn’t work though does it?

Ever since they began advising on diet, starting with low fat in the 70s and 80s, obesity has gone through the roof

I’m not trying to be contrary but i would recommend some further research beyond the NHS around nutrition. Doctors have approx. 0.5 days of their entire training on nutrition.

@hamstersarse nope. From various studies and all agree if you do a google search

'more than 75% of people who lose more than 30 pounds and keep it off eat the morning meal every single day'

Fat people die quicker, and more often than thin people. How f**king hard would you like this stated? I am not wishing to be rude, but it sounds as if you are trying to deny the evidence.

Ok 🤷‍♀️

You do know where ‘breakfast is the most important meal of the day’ came from, don’t you?

Kellogg’s

And it was for a worse reason than just trying to flog their sugar infested crap

@hamstersarse obviously if you have a ridiculously fat filled breakfast it will do f all to help you. However if for example you had a healthy option it will do more for you then not eating it at all.

To be completely honest, I don't think I would believe much that the NHS posts. Good in an emergency is probably the highest rating I could give. Please, please can we have a sensible co-funded insurance scheme with state fallback funding for the poorest and a degree of co-payment for anyone who works and earns money.

Sorry big fat doesn’t make you fat. A high fat breakfast would be far better than a bowl of Sugary cereal.

*sorry, but..

@hamstersarse think you're missing my point. For example you could have a smoothie of kale and avocado, you could have low fat plain yoghurt etc.

Also, there is a clue in the name.

Break.
Fast.

Fasting is part of human evolution. It is very very important that food is spaced out and you don’t snack,
The longer you don’t snack the better so skipping breakfast is the best way to do this...you’ve already not eaten for 8-10 hours...extend this by 4-5 hours and you are heading to autophagy where all the good stuff happens

Greggs sell plenty of ready-to-eat stuff for less than a pound. I can buy a kilo of bananas for less than a pound, that's a piece of fruit for a school day for a week.

you could have low fat plain yoghurt etc.

You’ve gone low fat again.
You are demonstrating what I am trying to say.

We’ve been Badly terribly disgustingly mislead about fat in our diets. We’ve removed fat from food since the 70s because we thought it caused heart disease. It doesn’t. Never has. The many many studies since have shown that saturated fat doesn’t not cause heart disease.

And what did we replace the fat with in our low fat food? Sugar.

@hamstersarse it also only has 27 calories