Died “with” Covid 19 rather than “from”

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Really noticed this on the News (BBC) today - both the national and regional, presenters saying that frontline workers, including taxi drivers, had died “with” rather than “from” Covid19.

Why the distinction, why not say “from” (which the reporting journalists have continued to say, to be fair).

And now their in house expert has said, after a lot of unnecessarily stressed words like eeeeeeewwwevn "it looks like there is a second epidemic I care homes"

Pandemic... just the one and it is pandemic

And no, we have always known that the elderly, with or without underlying issues, were amongst the most vulnerable.

It is not a surprise, it's fucking awful; it's not a unique strain if covid19, it's just fucking awful in that age group and it is not being ignored.

Nor is the rise in deaths not attributed to covid19. Do Chris Whitty, Jennie Harries etc stand at those podiums whistling fucking Dixie?

Stop with the fake bemusement, faux surprise. I can't be the only one who sees it and wants it to stop!

This is shite enough as it is without patronising twattishness offering us cod sympathy and trite understanding of the stats!

Is it so they don't have to pay the £60,000 to as many families ?

I don't think that what the BBC say will have anything to do with whether life assurance is paid out, that would be very unlikely.

Getting to grips with the statistics and causes of death must be a huge headache for everyone involved, I'm not too concerned about the semantics as long as the figures are as accurate as they can be with all the inherant uncertainty and are reported as consistently as possible.

Full analysis can come once we're out the other side.

My mom had alcoholism, depression, a heavy smoking habit.
Her death was formally acknowledged as cardiac arrest, pneumonia as secondary cause. She was still working full time when she died.

In my mind, she died with (of) alcoholism, depression, smoking, pneumonia AND a heart attack. They can't be separated, all contributed. I tend to put depression at top of the list, tbh.

I'm cool with 'died with covid'. Lots of health care workers are living with chronic conditions that contribute.

You might also find it interesting to see how many UK deaths in December were recorded with pneumonia as the cause - substantially up on last year. It's on the ONS site, if memory serves me right.

@Raccoon2020vision My husband is a funeral director and commented to me how he had a number of people passing with pneumonia that didnt fit the average profile for winter deaths (very elderly/unwell etc) but obviously nobody was looking for it back then

My sister died a sudden death 4 years ago and the post mortem results showed on the death certificate that the causes were:
1.Pulmonary embolism
2.Deep vein thrombosis
3.Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma
So the blood cancer caused the DVT which sent a blood clot to her lung. Neither of those would have happened if she hadn't had NHL. Presumably there are similar scenarios with Covid 19.

I read someone arguing that because many infected with Covid also had other conditions, Covid shouldn’t be considered the cause of death, and that if this was the case, it would be seen in time to be less deadly than the flu..... without apparently realising it’s exactly the same with the flu!

It isn't the virus that kills you, it is the resulting sepsis, heart attack, respiratory failure or otherwise.

That is why it is "with" and not "of".