Just seen 2 people walking past my house with fancy artsy milkshakes...

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Opened the window and asked lightheartedly (from a good few metres distance) where they got them from and they chirpily told me that the coffeehouse in the town market is open again.

FFS.

Why do people compare to other very different countries.

So we can only simple when it supports lockdown?

Every country is hugely different, of course. But people are comparing the countries anyway. People want to lockdown because x country did.

But you can't compare to ones who did lock down?

Our BAME community has been hard hit, not really sure how that's more relevant for Sweden when they have had far less deaths.

I'm really confused by the lockdown now. It does seem like people are getting back to normal even though figures still really high. I don't get.what has changed.either. Some one mentioned wanting ice cream vans back...really?

Coffee shops didnt have to shut as long as they were strictly takeaway, a lot have been changing their layouts and adding signage in the past few weeks to facilitate this, I think it's great. The reason a lot of people are antsy is because we have no direction, the government keep saying testing and tracing is the only way to move forward (which is true I guess), but are providing no confidence that they have the capability of doing this. People need some sort of direction, or indication of what the plan is rather than just carry on like this for an unspecified amount of time. It's been a shitshow.

Mother40 as pp said, these places didn't have to shut in the first place.

The daily figure is also very inaccurate. Yesterday's total included deaths, that reporting took longer on. Not really sure of the point of the daily figure as its largely inaccurate.

If, from the beginning, there had been a bigger wait to report more accurate figures, you would see that the numbers are declining. Monday's numbers will be low because of lack of reporting on a weekend. Its Not deckining as fast as people hope but they are declining.

The government should never have attempted to release figures so quickly.

My local coffee shop reopened. I know its because there is no financial help for him. So I did my community duty and bought a latte.
I'm taking Coronavirus very seriously. I don't go out unless food shopping but I was able to do my risk assessment on this fairly simply.
I didn't use public transport. I didn't need to go inside . Social distancing was definitely more than 2 metres. Contactless payment and a coffee that I decanted into my own cup.

The mood has changed because people are seeing it isn't as bad as the doom and gloom that was predicted.

There's no point in proper lockdown unless we have a way out. Currently we don't have a way out.

The virus isn't going away so we really need to gradually find a way to live with it and function with social distancing just becoming a way of life. I think places like coffee shops opening for take aways and people there keeping their distance from each other is part of that gradual adaptation.

Some places have had much stricter lockdown. The poor children in Spain not even allowed outside. I worry about how that has impacted on them. Those countries still have the virus though so what will happen when things are relaxed? I think there will be peaks again.

Sweden didn't lockdown and has been much softer. As far as I can see though it's not been a huge success. Their death rate per population is pretty high and continuing to increase. Death numbers are low though because the population is lower.

I think we are somewhat in the middle with the strength of our lockdown which to me does makes some sense. It is slowing the spread but without a vaccine no one can stop it and we need to find some way forward.

We won't know which countries have dealt with this best for years.

It could (emphasis on the could) turn out out half lockdown has worked. It could transpire that a huge amount of the population have had it. We could find out our deaths are in line with everyone else's, but then don't have a huge second wave, as predicted.

In Sweden you could see that that their death rate end up being in line with everyone else's, but their economy isn't trashed and they recover quicker. A trashed economy also costs lives.

Success won't be based on death rate alone. Of course it could also turn out that the countries lock down very atrctly, come out with a better death rate but worse economy or come out of it better overall.

At the moment, its all guess work.

People always look at me and my mum with dirty looks when we go to the supermarket but we are the same household -_- she moved in with me before the lockdown just so she wasnt alone

This is our new normal and we need to adjust to it both as individuals and businesses. Surely its time people started their own risk assessments and deciding if going to the coffee shop etc is high or low risk. Having blanket rules / guidance was never going to be appropriate for densely populated areas and more rural areas.

Every day in the late afternoon / evening (so we avoid peak busyness) DD and I walk to a secluded part of the local beach, if there is no one else there than I let her paddle, play on the sand and hunt for shells. If there are other people there then we keep walking keeping our distance.

Surely it's the same for going into town, if you fancy a milkshake and there are lots of people around not socially distancing you keep walking, if theres a short, socially distanced queue you get your treat. You avoid peak times so maybe go after 3pm and you pay contactlessly.

@TheGirlWithAPrince perhaps because only one adult from each household is supposed to go into the shops at one time?

Not judging you myself as I don’t know your situation is but I’m just speculating on why others might be.

Son home from uni. we started off by when going to supermarket being 6 feet apart so he could put what he wanted into his basket, it seemed supremely daft when elderly couples were shopping together, so we stopped.

DD lives on the beach she also chooses quiet times to go to the beach, seashell hunting, rock pools with the children, she gets dirty looks from people with dogs who arrive in cars. It really is nuts.

People always look at me and my mum with dirty looks when we go to the supermarket but we are the same household

You are not meant to go as a "couple". Only one of you needs to shop. That's why people are giving you nasty looks. However, it's not their business, and you could eg be shopping for someone else too.

Our local gastropubs re-opened about a week or so ago. Claim they are only offering takeaway service but as the weather has been so good, people are just congregating on the grass outside, having their meals and drinks as if it's a normal day

I see quite a few couples in supermarkets, so I don't think everyone is strictly following guidelines. It's a bit irritating because supermarkets only allow a certain number in at a time, so couples are taking up a space that someone else could use. And I guess if both are carriers of cv then they are both sharing that with everyone else in the shop. I don't think Waitrose has quite got the hang of telling it's customers what to do though

Before the lockdown you would see elderly couples shopping, what you did not see because it was invisible was that one of them had memory problems, couples hold each other up in sickness and health.

@puffinandkoala yeah i need her with me as we have no car and i cant walk home with enough shoppind, we both have disabilities and i need stuff for us and 2 toddlers haha. I would use a taxi but its too expensive to go the long way to the local shop

Soya flat white please! My local coffee shops are closed but a local barista operates from a van...and he’s doing the rounds tomorrow! Have to order in advance, he texts when your drinks are ready and you pay via contactless.

@TheGirlWithAPrince both me and DP went to the shops together yesterday but I waited in the car.

You sound terribly bored...

Not bothered about it? Only bothered enough to start a thread on here and to lean out the window and ask them. You didn’t ask them because you genuinely wanted to know to possibly buy one for yourself but so that could run to the computer and post about “rule breakers”. Bet you were so excited to catch two live “rule breakers” right outside your house! That must be a gold prize for the lockdown monitors. Just calm yourself down. They won’t be any harm to you if you stay inside.