Dominic Cummings is part of Sage

[pontypridd]

The mystery scientific advisory body

[Humphriescushion]

The political spin on the science now makes a lot of sense!

[Sosadandempty]

@jasjas1973 I don’t understand why the media haven’t kicked up more of a stink - there have been a few articles, but no scandal or even questions about it during the Downing Street conferences that I have heard.

The media highlighted the lack of support for care homes which was and is scandalous, but not what has been happening in people’s homes.

[PerkingFaintly]

A few weeks ago, as all this was kicking off, I commented that for Cummings and all good disruptionists and disaster capitalists, Covid19 wouldn't be seen as a threat: it would be an opportunity. And that I wondered what they'd use the opportunity to do.

A large-scale data grab is right up Cummings' street.

And yes, of course, we may start to have a real need for contact tracing – though only once testing becomes widely available.

But don't take your eye off the ball. In Cummings' big picture... this is an opportunity.

[frumpety]

I can't honestly say I am surprised , he is the Government isn't he ?

[EmpressMcSchnozzle]

Will he be taken off now that it's public knowledge?

Probably not. He'll probably be promoted and the rest of them will be "stood down". And we'll soon find out which member of SAGE it was that leaked it when they're mysteriously found in an abandoned car somewhere near Salisbury Plain, having allegedly committed suicide with an anatomically unlikely wound....

[LilacTree1]

What worries me about this is that I thought he’d be the last person to want to ruin the economy.

[LilacTree1]

Perking “ A large-scale data grab is right up Cummings' street.”

Ah, that’s a point.

But isn’t it predictable that some people will be so angered by lockdown, they’d also think, hang on, I’m not giving up more data?

[JacobReesMogadishu]

Surely down the line the discussions from this group and other pertinent meetings will become public? At some point there will be a massive enquiry into the fuck up of the handling of this crisis.

[PerkingFaintly]

At some point there will be a massive enquiry into the fuck up of the handling of this crisis.

Which Cummings may refuse to give evidence at. See above for "contempt of Parliament."

[pontypridd]

If only Boris would resign. Then we could be rid of Cummings, surely ...

[PerkingFaintly]

Cummings tools around with the slithy Gove, too. So be careful what you wish for.

[EC22]

Even if there’s was good reason for him to be on it, the ‘science’ shouldn’t be a secret.
Playing politics with peoples life is not acceptable.

[LilacTree1]

Whether Cummings is there or not, they want that “science” kept secret and that’s very worrying.

[Tr1skel1on]

Oh shit. I really hoped he was spending months recuperating.

I really don't like Boris, but I wish him well.

I loathe Cummings and would rather scrape dog shit off my shoe, I used to think he was incompetent and power hungry, he is just lazy and quite possibly evil.

There goes me cheering myself up in the middle of a global pandemic, at least Dom hasn't been seen.,,

[Sosadandempty]

Does anyone like him? Many of the Tory MPs who were got rid of before or at the last election loathed him too.

[C8H10N4O2]

Indeed, C8H10N4O2, I know a little of Palantir of old.

Me too, ditto CA - its not impossible we have crossed paths in our RealWorlds

Hell would freeze over before I'd adopt an app from those quarters. Ironically, the Apple/Google option is one of the least worse at the moment.

[LilacTree1]

“ Ironically, the Apple/Google option is one of the least worse at the moment.”

Ooh I didn’t know this.

[Betelgeyse]

He's the devil incarnate 😠😠😠

[StayinginSummer]

The whole secrecy is unprofessional and out of order. And they say China is secretive! This just isn’t on.

I’ve been feeling very cross ever since before lockdown and they weren’t sharing the scientific models, data or evidence. That is just appalling really. And very unscientific. They have shared most of it now, but still no behavioural data or the like. And now this?

[WiseUpJanetWeiss]

the NHS has the capacity to treat far more BUT the political decision is not too.

I don’t think that is true. The NHS is still working well over capacity. There have been staffing issues at the London Nightingale preventing them from taking patients. Staff are sick or isolating.

What is true is that political decisions have been made about gatekeeping access to NHS services. This has hidden cases at home and in care homes, and has then given the impression that the NHS has coped.

It’s quite obvious that people at home and in care homes have been made to stay there, often without any medical help at all, when in normal circumstances they would have been admitted. “Protect the NHS” is as much about “Prevent everyone seeing just how underfunded and unprepared the NHS is” as it is about actually protecting the NHS.

Overall death rates will tell the story eventually, but that’s no help now.

[Humphriescushion]

That does not appear true according to the gov updates and graph. They show they have and did have plenty of capacity , of course the truth of this is unclear, are they just counting beds, but dont have the nurses, however this is what the gov is showing and saying.

[jasjas1973]

Yes regionally, there will be differences in capacity.

The decision to send back to care homes, people with CV or who hadn't been tested can only have been a deliberate policy decision, designed to reduce the number of the elderly in this country.

There is no other explanation unless you think PHE/Govt are incapable of understanding how CV is transmitted and effects it has on the elderly? and that in itself is almost as worrying.

[WiseUpJanetWeiss]

That does not appear true according to the gov updates and graph. They show they have and did have plenty of capacity , of course the truth of this is unclear, are they just counting beds, but dont have the nurses, however this is what the gov is showing and saying.

I know that’s what the government are saying, but the only reason ICUs have been able to function is because all ICUs and HDUs and many theatre recovery areas have been turned into Covid-19 critical care facilities and hospitals have been able to do little else. This isn’t working within capacity in any normal sense of the word. It’s spin.

[WiseUpJanetWeiss]

The decision to send back to care homes, people with CV or who hadn't been tested can only have been a deliberate policy decision, designed to reduce the number of the elderly in this country.

I’d prefer to think it was considered acceptable collateral damage, but I fear you may be right.

[Humphriescushion]

Not sure i am disagreeing with you wise, there is masses of spin.