These are the doctors that need to be heard!

[Mumlove5]

Dr Dan Erickson, Covid-19 Briefing - Bakersfield, CA

Legitimate data rather than hypothesis

Compares data from other countries

Talks about immune systems around 17 min mark

Talks about the grave consequences he’s seeing at the hospitals because of the lockdown

Please watch🙏🏻

Different country, different health systems, different lockdown rules. Not really applicable here

Thanks for the link Mumlove, I'll give it a listen..... (are you on commission... you seem very keen!)

@pocketem

That is a very close-minded statement.

This is an international crisis. The US, like many other countries, are in the same situation. They are collecting data like other doctors from around the world.

Dr Erickson is using data reported from other countries, as well.

I really enjoyed it, thank you. I will pass it on!

@B1rdbra1n

Thank you! I’m not on commission.

I’m hopeful about new scientific legitimate data that is coming out. I know many people who are very scared of this virus because of the mainstream media.

Antibody studies are showing that this virus is more widespread and less deadly. A new antibody study came out yesterday from NY. Governor Cuomo reported that this virus had a 0.5 death rate.

Dr Erickson needs as much press as the “experts” and scientists that governments are following.

These lockdowns are doing much more harm than good.

@Gtugccbjb

Thank you! The more people see this, the better. It’s so important!

I'm listening and it sounds interesting so far, wondering is there a transcript or written document containing the same info from these people? (I've googled but haven't come up with anything)

Different country, different health systems, different lockdown rules. Not really applicable here
Quite the contrary! I'm in favour of international collaboration, it's a good thing!
Comparing what happens in different countries deepens and extends our knowledge, and of course any medics/scientist worth their salt will account for the different circumstances in different countries.

These lock downs are doing much more harm than good
on the one hand yes I think that may be the case but on the other hand we are saying this in the light of emerging data.
Something very big and bad was happening and governments had to act fast to contain the problem to buy time to formulate a more nuanced response.
Certainly lock down is a very blunt instrument, that does not mean that we have knowingly used a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

It's always been fairly clear that the virus was mostly deadly to people with vulnerabilities, and that must mean that there are large numbers of people who have been exposed to it but do not go on to develop symptoms.
The fatality rate from people who go on to develop a serious case of the illness is one thing, the fatality rate from people who have been exposed to it is quite another thing.
If a seed is to flourish it needs to land on fertile ground, those whose health is poor provide that fertile ground.

I haven’t found a written transcript yet. The interview took place yesterday, I think.

Yes, the doctor did say initially governments didn’t have any reliable data and worked off of hypothetical models.

At the same time governments, mainly the US and U.K, only listened to certain epidemiologists and scientists. Obviously here we based all our decisions on the imperial college model, which wasn’t peer-reviewed and was based on unreliable data.

From all the articles, news sources, models, data, etc that I’ve been reading seem very bias. They are not welcoming any counter-argument at all, even from well known, certified, qualified and experienced doctors/epidemiologists. This is frightening to me.

You know this is really odd because I am sure I heard that some really switched on people in America were protesting that lockdown was a Bad Thing as well. Probably something made up by all those tricksy experts and scientists eh @Mumlove5

The one thing that horrifies me is that the tide of support is turning, whether it turns out to be right or wrong, the culture of political scapegoating is very destructive. Do we want to scream at the government fot not loking down soon enough, or for locking down at all?
Only after this year and all the proper analysis can be done, can we decide. In the meantime what would you all suggest?

Lucky Trump is listening to his scientist and guess what "it might be an idea to inject bleach to kill this virus" HHHHHHHHAAAAAA

The lockdown is even more perilous in America because the poverty levels are enormous and the welfare sustem is crap, as i the health system. They quite frankly cant afford it, not that we can really but can better ride it

The first thing that struck me is that they are sitting so close to each other

A local doctor (Erickson) says we shouldn't be locked down and the local health authority say he is wrong. Therefore you think the UK should follow HIS advice?

The lockdowns were necessary since nobody truly understood what they were dealing with.

They're getting there but it took time.

Legitimate data rather than hypothesis Erm... ONS..

Compares data from other countries What have you been watching? Such comparisons have been made and discussed every bloody day!

Talks about immune systems around 17 min mark Great! That's one strand of investigation

Talks about the grave consequences he’s seeing at the hospitals because of the lockdown MMm! It's like Chris Whitty et al just don't exist!

A new antibody study came out yesterday from NY. Governor Cuomo I had no idea he was a medical expert! Wow! And are you suggesting that no other nation, no UK scientist is aware of that study? That is has not been included in the ever increasing pile of data being collated, analysed and utilised? Get on the phone, quick!

only listened to certain epidemiologists and scientists. Obviously here we based all our decisions on the imperial college model, which wasn’t peer-reviewed and was based on unreliable data. No! They started with a coupe f models that have grown and changed over time, as has the pool of experts via SAGE etc.

NOTHING annoys me more than some anonymous forum user suggesting that their gobsmackingly intellectual take on this situation is in any way superior to that of the many and varied scientists worldwide who are working hard to find solutions to all the questions we, Joe Public, have asked and a squillion othes we haven't even begun to imagine!

They are not welcoming any counter-argument at all, even from well known, certified, qualified and experienced doctors/epidemiologists. You mean those who wrote a letter demaning to know which of their colleagues were included on the SAGE panel? They may have had their own agenda (I know one of them, she is a professionally embarrassed that she hasn't been asked)

This is frightening to me. It frightens everyone I imagine. The best you can do for your own mental health is to try and be more positive, not immediately assume the worst of every situation, maybe not read the hyper critical or single issue articles etc. There are bound to be errors in judgement, mistakes in data interpretation etc. But nobody will be doing that deliberately. All involved are doing their utmost... we all have to rely on that, it makes no sense to try to knock down and destroy the thing you rely on. Plenty of time for that when this is all over.

• and no, I am not saying the government should not be challenged, just that some of the shit we are exposed to daily is atrocious journalism, fear mongering and disinformation.

These guys are very credible and the thing that strikes me the most is the way we get out of lockdown is mass testing. It cannot happen without. I get the impression that this is the way we are trying to go and the pressure is to ramp up the testing and the contact tracing. It has been talked about so much

@CuriousaboutSamphire
Yes exactly that. Fear breeds fear and our culture of moving twards "they are doing this all wrong" is making it worse. The journalists at the briefing sessions are largely infuriating. Actually what I got from these doctors is not what others seem to have done, ie get slightly hysterical, But, in the light of what we are learning along the way, this could be the way we move forward and lossen the lock down and lift the economy. The acknowledge that they agree the initial response was the right one. I did not hear anything that made me doubt our experts. What we need is the ability and the logistics to move to the next stage. I bekieve we are trying to do that

sorry for typos

I was looking at the 'ramping up' and was both impressed and a bit worried. They are a bit ahead of their schedule in having tests available and should have the 100,000/day ready to go in the next week, as they said (remembering this is an increased number, changed once they got better data on supplies etc), but are still having issues getting those tests where they need to be to be taken. I expect we'll see the number of tests taken rise now the army is involved in that!

I am assuming that we'll have more confirmed info by Monday or Tuesday next week.

I agree these guys are very credible, as new data is emerging we will be able to collaborate and develop more sophisticated responses to this crisis.