The “I just had a sit down in the park with crisps” brigade

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You are the problem. The rules are simple. Go out and exercise and then go home. Just that, nothing more than that.

To be fair then problem is actually bigger than that and has been brewing for years as we increasingly become a country with rules but almost everyone has an excuse for why that rule shouldn’t apply to them/their child/family.

On a lighter note - Rocks are definitely NOT allowed for crisp eating or box jumping

Have to say, I don't agree with some of the comment that Hooves has made on this thread (although I do agree with some), but this thread has turned into a bit of a pile on now. That's not really necessary.

Sitting on a bench eating, or having a picnic does not fit in to any of that advice

But you have of course seen the updated police guidance that sitting on a bench for a rest or a snack as part of that exercise (one of the permitted reasons) is perfectly acceptable?

HearHooves: Going out for exercise is fine. Resting on a bench or eating while doing that has also been clarified as fine.

What are you not getting? Honestly, you're one of the most self-absorbed people i've ever come across. So unwilling to take into account any circumstances other than your own, and the 0.000000000000001% chance you've come up with to say that it will effect you in some way.

Why are those rocks cosplaying as St Trinian characters?

Hearhoovesthinkzebras - I never said anything about sitting on a bench or touching one. Just sitting down and eating a bag of crisps neither of which require touching anything apart from the bag of crisps!!

It's a scary time but most of us (except people shielding) are going to be out working/ at school before a vaccine is found so the chances of getting this thing at some stage are pretty high in the long run. Even now my husband has to work with members of the public and we have to shop so the chances of getting infected from either of those things are much higher than sitting down eating a bag of crisps outside without touching anything else miles away from anyone!

It's also unnecessary to somehow keep bringing threads like this around to why she doesn't understand the reasons for herself being told to isolate. But here we are, again.

I wouldn't use handsantizer right before eating the crisps. It would make them taste funny.

I think I would wash hands before leaving hourse. Take crisps in hand. Walk to park. Find bench. Sit on it. Eat crisps. Walk home. Wash hands again. Job done. No bench touching required.

Somehow though, that's been taken to mean go out for a picnic and don't worry about hand washing or touching your face.

It really hasn't.

Hear the risk is two fold.

However minimal the risk , when following advice and guidelines, it's never zero,mainly because of human error whether on purpose or not. The issue is that if some people get it ,it's very likely they'll die.

The second issue is that if a lot of people needed hospital admission and treatment,the NHS wouldn't cope. That's the main drive behind the sheltered group. Keep away/safe the people that are most likely to end up in a hospital.

Hooves was in a tizzy a few weeks ago about the audacity of buying mascara in a supermarket. Which is worse - eating crisps on a bench or buying make up? Tough call.

You don't have to be smearing your hands over the bench. That's just hyperbole. If you touch the bench and then touch your face that is a risk. Touching, not smearing. If everyone is sitting on a bench without touching it and is using hand gel when out then fair enough. But I don't believe that everyone is doing that.

The comment you agreed with said exactly that and you said you got shot for sayong the same. You didn't.

You don't believe the the vast majority of the country are being sensible. Despite the fact that they are.

Again, if you are touching surfaces when you are out and not following hygiene. Then that is the issue. The issue isn't whether someone else sat in the same bench as you.

I've been told to stay indoors. Why? If there is only risk by getting less than two metres from another person then why tell us to stay indoors? How can I guage the risk if I haven't been told what the risk is? If they said that they aren't sure about two metres and possibly a safe distance is ten metres, then fine, I can account for that but being told to notgo.outat all - why? The only conclusion that I can reach is that there's a possibility that it's airborne or at least remains in the air after someone has passed by.

Not really.

You have been advised not to go out. The more you go out, the higher risk of catching it, there is. However, for the majority of people the risk of getting very sick is lower. So they have been advised they can do low risk activity. Such as sitting on a bench.

Your advice comes from that you are likely to become more sick. The whole idea of lockdown did not include 100% compliance.

Like everyone else, you need to assess your own risk level.

@Smilethoyourheartisbreaking come down my way, plenty of benches and I can offer you Costco blueberry muffins.

There were people sat on benches at the park yesterday...i judged

(I didn’t really...)

WilburIsSomePig I disagree. She hadn't posted on the thread for some hours.

She came back because people were laughing at the poster that thinks sitting on a bench will spread covid. But jumping on it and touching whilst doing tricep dips was vieteous and perfectly fine.

Hooves then came to tell everyone for laughing and not caring about the pandemic.

People responded and she keeps responding to them personally. Then people are responding to her.

That's not a pile on. Or do you expect people to ignore her when she is addressing them?

I honestly just thought it was obvious that the advice for non-shielders is to avoid us catching it all at once. For those shielding, the goverment doesn't want you to catch it at all.

Like everyone else, you need to assess your own risk level.

The way you do a risk assessment is to first identify the risk. How can you do that when no one will tell you what the risk is? What is the risk in just going outside? They aren't telling us to stay away from people even. They are saying don't go outside. Why? What is the risk? You can't do your own risk assessment when you don't know what the risk is.

It is obvious. For some people (the shielded) there’s a higher risk of getting very ill if they catch it, for most of us there isn’t much risk if we catch it but because there are a lot of us the NHS would struggle if we all caught it at once. Hence the different advice - non shielded people will continue to catch it & that’s fine. People who haven’t been advised to shield can chose to live as a shielded person if they want but they’ll have to manage the logistics of that themselves.

Hooves wants us all to be as scared & miserable as as she is because her situation sucks & it is unfair. She’s raging but ultimately it’s futile because ppl will continue to eat crisps on park benches and lookdown will end & there will probably be actual picnics.

From Gov.uk.

*Staying at home and shielding

You’re strongly advised to stay at home at all times and avoid any face-to-face contact if you’re clinically extremely vulnerable to protect yourself.

This is called ‘shielding’.

Shielding means:

Do not leave your house.Do not attend any gatherings. This includes gatherings of friends and families in private spaces, for example, family homes, weddings and religious services.Strictly avoid contact with someone who is displaying symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19). These symptoms include high temperature and/or new and continuous cough.

The Government is currently advising people to shield until the end of June and is regularly monitoring this position.*

There you are. Avoid face to face contact means stay away from people.

Going out of your way to catch it is quite another
Sitting on a bench is not going out of your way to catch it. Could you stop making everything a catastrophy? For the millionth time it is perfectly ok to sit down!!!
Unless you come along and lick the fecking bench the chances of you catching it via your backside are infinitesimal.

Show me where the government has said it's fine.
The link to the guidelines given to the police have been posted here many times. Try reading them and not ignoring them because it suits your own pity party.
You do this on every thread. Its not all about you.

Nobody is smearing thier hands all over a bench except the poster who thinks its ok to use them for exercise but not sitting on. Which is BS and far more selfish.

Wtf are people going to do when this is over and they can no longer make up rules and shout at people for doing perfectly normal things ?

The way you do a risk assessment is to first identify the risk. How can you do that when no one will tell you what the risk is? What is the risk in just going outside? They aren't telling us to stay away from people even. They are saying don't go outside. Why? What is the risk? You can't do your own risk assessment when you don't know what the risk is.

No one else knows the exact risk either. When you do a risk assessment, some of it is based on judgement. Because either has to, there's no data so start with.

If alot of people in the shielded group get covid all to together, the NHS is fucked. Because shielded are more likely to need hospital. Not definitely, more likely.

If 10,000 on the shield list get it, far more NHS resources are needed, than if 10,000 not on the shielded list get it.

Thats what its about.

No one can calculate individual risk.

Because the variables are extensible.

How far can you walk, do you need someone with you. Are you likely to collapse. Where are you planning on going, what time of day, what's the population level like, how busy is that place likely to be etc

The risk is different for everyone. At the end of the day, a shielded person could get and its only mild and they re fine. No one knows, how it will pan out in individual circumstances.

You need to calculate your own risk, based on your own circumstances.

The risk for someone living in Central London doing one activity, isn't the same for someone who lives on a farm doing it.

So no one will calculate it for you