The “I just had a sit down in the park with crisps” brigade

[Candodad]

You are the problem. The rules are simple. Go out and exercise and then go home. Just that, nothing more than that.

To be fair then problem is actually bigger than that and has been brewing for years as we increasingly become a country with rules but almost everyone has an excuse for why that rule shouldn’t apply to them/their child/family.

Yet, tea has magical powers on the trail. It really has

When I was little and I'd go walking with my folks I'd be allowed milky instant coffee. Recently my Mum was in the hospital and wanted some homemade soup and I found my old flask. It still smelled of that coffee. Damn. I wish I'd have kept it when I cleared the house now. I remember how warming it was on a cold day. Worth taking my mittens off for!

But this is why Pringles/Snaktastics (yes I looked up the name of the knock-off Pringles) works so well on a hike, because the packaging is so sturdy.

You can also eat a few at a time, stretching them out, which you can’t do with a regular bag of crisps.

Go out and exercise and then go home. Just that, nothing more than that.

Actually, you are the problem. And you’ve been a problem in society long before this virus came along.

You believe that everyone is the same as you. Can do the same as you. Nobody has different circumstances and everyone is expected to fit in to your one size fits all world. It is what has held people with disabilities back for centuries and continues to treat them as second class citizens, having to live in a world not set up for them. When they raise a challenge to your assertion they are told “oh I didn’t mean you” in a very patronising way, othering them further.

We go out three times a day for ten or fifteen minutes. It’s all DD can manage at a time. We’d love to go out for an hour’s long romp across the fields or to the park. Instead we walk round the same short route so her legs don’t seize up and we don’t end up with a child who can’t walk at the end of this. Nobody is dying because of it and the guidelines have always been quite clear that this is ok. The sad thing is, they had to clarify them to state the bloody obvious fact that people with disabilities will need to do things differently, because idiots like you couldn’t work that out for themselves and decided to become the school prefect, lecturing people because they have nothing else going on in their lives.

You can also eat a few at a time, stretching them out, which you can’t do with a regular bag of crisps

Has science actually proven this? Do you have an actual peer-reviewed source?

My wild card entry for drinks is Lucozade. Unexpected, a bit retro, but very good.

Aw, Yet . Might be worth trying to track it down on social media? It does taste different out on the trail. Mmmm.

Has science actually proven this? Do you have an actual peer-reviewed source?

I am willing to nobly volunteer as a guinea pig in rigorous scientific trials.

Mmm that glucose hit.

However, you can’t beat full sugar coke. Particularly when cutting through fatty, oily crisps.

Mmmm

Oh and very well said, Minty

The overarching rule to all of this is stay at home. It's really not difficult.. dicking around in the park with a picnic isn't staying at home. If you want to exercise or pick up essentials then do so and then go back home.

This really is an international emergency and people are determined to do things not within the spirit of the rules just because "technically" the police can't reprimand your for it.

There's plenty the police can't reprimand you for that isn't sensible or considerate of others.

They are temporary measures designed to save lives, just eat your sandwiches at home for a few weeks ffs

Jamie Oliver fucking ruined Lucozade with his fucking sugar tax, the twat! It used to be the best hangover cure going, orange Lucozade. Now it's full of sweetener. Boak! So sad. Tea it is then.

Droplet contamination of surfaces isn't a route of infection? Since when? Can you give links to the research that is showing this not to be true?

Only this isn't what I said. I appreciate it would be easier for you if I had because you'd have something to rail against but it's not.

I said it is not "beyond doubt" and that the science as it's being discovered is not supportive of that.

That science being:

• the vast majority (up to about 83%) of transmission routes being long term, frequent, close contact with an infected person (WHO)
• not a single confirmed case of an outside surface being a transmission route (also WHO)

If a transmission route has not yet been confirmed then it remains as a theory only . The longer this goes on with the absence of any outside surface contact transmission the less likely it is that it is a valid transmission route.

TheLongDarkBreakfastTime, your post caught my eye. That would have been my mum, if she were still with us. Long may your MIL enjoy her outings to the park.

You can also eat a few at a time, stretching them out, which you can’t do with a regular bag of crisps

Now this is misleading information

Everyone knows that once you pop you can’t stop...fact

Only on mumsnet would the government saying "While you're out on your daily exercise, if you need to stop for a drink or quick snack, that is ok" be taken as 'let's pack up snacks and the whole family go for a picnic' 😂

I think the OP needs a hi vis vest

Under normal circumstances I quite often run a 10+ mile route with a supermarket between miles 7-8. I often pause my watch, go in and buy a bag of crisps and can of coke/red bull to power me up for the last few miles of slogging back up hill. Crisps are great for quick release starch and replacement of lost salts through sweat. And the sugar and fluids from the Coke are also great energy replenishment after approaching 2 hours of running and walking.

The key point of the legislation and guidence issued is to reduce (not eradicate) the spread of the virus by close proximity to people. Depending on location, some parks are being prone to overcrowding due to their popularity, population density and lack of range of pleasant personal and public outdoor space so "loitering" was initially strongly discouraged, particularly after mother's day when crowds flocked to tourist honeypots.

Some people do need to rest while exercising- whatever the intensity. I had the experience of being utterly drained in my early pregnancy when it wasn't outwardly visible. I remember struggling to reach a bench on a gentle local walk, feeling completely bemused that a month earlier, I could have jogged that far without issue. Later in pregnancy, my mobility continued to be compromised by SPD which was considerably more obvious until it reached the point of bordering on being housebound.

At present I'm fortunate to have access to local, quiet, uncelebrated countryside to run/ walk in. I've been taking the DCs on some of my running routes. Being small and young, we take food with us because they tire more quickly and need some incentivisation. We've had basic picnics in very quiet, secluded spots because the benefits of the children walking for a couple of hours far outweighs the tiny risks of stopping and being infected in such quiet places.

My family is low risk and it is far healthier for us, body, mind and general immunity to continue going out to quiet places, and shock horror, sit on the occasional bench and take food with us. I'm already facing weight gain in the loss of unstructured activity as it is.

My main issue with crisps and exercise is that they are awkward to transport without crushing them.

The overarching rule to all of this is stay at home. It's really not difficult

That isn’t a rule.

Being outside while social distancing is perfectly fine.

HTH.

Here’s a good rule of thumb.

If it’s not impacting someone else and the police cant reprimand you for it, the good people on MN certainly have no remit to.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

Where's the government advice that says it's fine to sit and eat on a bench then?

Eh? You expect the government to provide advice for every single possible scenario? Really?

Here’s a good rule of thumb.

If it’s not impacting someone else and the police cant reprimand you for it, the good people on MN certainly have no remit to

Exactly.

No man is an island @LaurieMarlow
Often things have downstream consequences. I think the test should be reasonableness. A butterfly flapping it's wings is being reasonable regardless of whether there is a hurricane. Eating crisps whilst exercising is pretty much never reasonable.

Eh? You expect the government to provide advice for every single possible scenario? Really?

No I don't. Likewise, just because it hasn't been expressly legislated against ,(bit is advised against) doesn't mean that it's a green light to rush out and do it.

So, it isn't against the law but that doesn't mean it is safe nor advisable.

Often things have downstream consequences

Sure. In this case the government have decided they’re not significant. HTH

Eating crisps whilst exercising is pretty much never reasonable.

Speak for yourself.