Government reportedly considering schools going back in 3 weeks

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On BBC News 24 now, article in tomorrow's Sunday Times says that ministers are considering schools going back in three weeks time. Plus allowing some shops and social gatherings, but not pubs and clubs.

What fucks , why are you saying that to me? Confused!

And children having a parent die are going to have their mental health badly affected. But that does not matter, as it is not really about children's mental health. That is just a figment of imagination to get kids back to school asap.

It doesn’t matter what parents want

To an extent this is true, as harsh as it is. Because those wanting it to last longer, don’t understand what they are asking for. They are asking for something much much worse for society and their children.

The mid to long term needs of society need to be managed, against the short term impact.

No one will clap for teachers! Sure of that one!

@Piggywaspushed I was agreeing with you about lack of PPE and being sarcastic. I am sorry it was not clear.

alloutoffucks do you understand how theories work?
One theory is that children are super spreaders.
Another theory is that they aren’t.
Neither of these theories are proven. So are they both lies? No, they’re both theories.

Mr cat works in health and safety. He keeps telling me what schools need to do to be corona compliant, in.case anyone catches cv in school, can prove they socially distanced and then sues the school.

You must know me from other threadsfucks. You know I don't think that. I have a DH teacher with coronary heart disease. This is the second largest group of those dying from /with Covid 19 and yet not a shielded group.

I myself believe I have had it. I believe I caught it at school before lockdown. It was horrendous. And I still feel like shit.

Williamson and Gove have been very clear schools will not be opening on 11th May.

As a teacher I am hoping we return June 1st which means the government have 6 weeks to sort contact tracing and for the daily deaths and the new infections to come down.

I fear if we push teachers to go back before the this they will simply go off sick with stress and this puts us on a situation where we can't run some classes or schools because there will be no one in to teach.

Ah, OK fucks.

And children having a parent die are going to have their mental health badly affected

Of course they will. But the death rate is very very low. Children’s mental health will also be impacted by loosing their homes, their parents loosing their jobs, of not being able to socialise.

You post like it’s a given if you get it you will absolutely die. This is not the case or anywhere near it.

@alloutoffucks that's very covid-centric statement. Children will sadly lose parents through lack do access to treatments, chemotherapy and sadly in some cases, perhaps suicide. There are also children who have terminal illnesses who aren't able to say goodbye to their friends, go to the zoo for the final time, have a last meal at McDonald's. They have been forced to sacrifice their last few months for the 'greater good', is that fair? Nothing is in this situation, it's about finding solutions which will have less effect but they all have consequences. They might also lose the roof over their heads. It's not as simple as everyone stay in and everything will be fine. The tagline should be stay home, save lives but ruin others.

Italy and Spain are not planning to reopen schools yet and their death rate is now hovering at around 500 x day. If the death rate doesn't start to slow down, they won't commit to a plan, in my opinion.

Schools will not be fully open in three weeks. It won’t happen. They may open up to slightly more children, but they won’t be fully open.
I would also be surprised if aren’t fully open before September, for all the reasons Bluntness states. June is a likely scenario.
We cannot stay home until there is a vaccine. It would be a disaster. We also cannot return to normal with the current level of deaths. The actual scenario will be somewhere in the middle. A balance.

@HoffiCoffi13

Except one theory has no evidence and one has lots of supporting data from range of countries and methods.

cat, I read that as my cat works in health and safety !

Gove had just said this isn’t true, alongside the DofE. This is all quite funny really. Murdoch has clearly decided he wants someone else in. Boris is not the poster boy any more. I’m undecided if it’s Gove or the K-bot for nu labour 2. Either way, it’s all spin and lies to create anger, upset and confusion. Then they can blame it all on Boris and get him out. The other article in the Sunday Times makes it quite clear what they are doing.

Oh and this won’t happen.

@Bluntness100 I know exactly what I am asking for. I am asking for a science and evidence based approach. What we are being given is the unscientific lie of herd immunity, which does not exist.
The truth is the government want the economy running as normal asap and is fine for thousands of ill and elderly people to die. It is fine if we have thousands more people die than any other country. It will of course talk in a few months about how this is unprecedented situation and about with the benefit of hindsight. But it is sees those thousands and thousands of people as acceptable.

Small children share their snot and saliva liberally with anyone who gets near them. And they have the hand washing skills of feral cats. If I were to plump for a theory, it would be that they are superb disease spreaders - as has been proven with the flu (which funnily enough people who push for “we must return to normal” usually like to compare to covid 19, although apparently not in this instance!).

The current death rate in hospitals from covid-19 is around 15,500. They estimate that around 7,500 elderly people have died in care homes then another few hundred or so have died at home.

At the date of the lockdown starting just short of 4 weeks a go, we had 750 deaths. In just 4 weeks, we have managed to amass approx 23,500 deaths due to covid-19 being the cause or an instigator or catalyst to the persons death. Of course we'll get the idiots that will say 'but they were ill and would have died anyway'. No. Unless they were receiving end of life care or suffering a severe underlying condition that could kill them any day, they wouldn't have died that day or week if they hadn't caught coronavirus. They may have lived another week, month or even years. People in their 70's with mild heart conditions were not at deaths door. People with severe asthma that was managed were not at deaths door. The nurses and doctors that were considered young or not even middle aged were not at deaths door. That 40 year old man with mild asthma was not at deaths door. It's actually a very small number of people that you'd consider 'at deaths door' that have actually died. These people were receiving palliative care or very old and weak.

So while I think lockdown is rubbish and my DS is missing his nursery a lot, I'd rather that than people die needlessly. There's going to be a lot of kids without grandparents because of this, kids without parents, partners without their partners. It's really sad and horrible and as I said before, needless. I think the selfishness of people and the good of people has really shown through in this whole situation. You get the people that say 'I have to go to work so others should to' and the people that say 'the elderly would die some time anyway so why are we crashing our economy to save a few old biddies'. It's so wrong and such a horrible thing to say. I think these people won't really learn compassion until it happens in their circle but I wouldn't wish that on them just to teach them a lesson

It won't make any difference if teachers and other support staff are told to wear PPE. There isn't any!

The government has admitted that the supplies are getting hard to buy. The gown manufacturers have said, today on TV, that the fabric (which has to be of a certain quality obviously) is getting scarce.

Facemasks have to be a certain standard or you may as well wear a fishing net.

And the government are looking at the public wearing masks outside. Imagine that - you need them for your bus journey, the teacher needs them for the classroom and the NHS need them for their work. And we don't have enough for the NHS!

Obviously the government know of a magic mask tree somewhere...

@Leflic that's why I think people will go off sick. They simply won't be prepared to take the risk without the evidence that they are likely to be ok.

If the rate of infections, admissions into hospitals and deaths drops considerably, this is a sign that there is less likelihood someone will catch it.

There will never be a situation where we are completely risk free and I think society have accepted that - I just think it's short sighted to think current rates of infection and deaths are a sign it's ok and preferable to reopen schools again.

@Thisisitisit You do know why people are not getting treatments?
It is because either there are not enough NHS staff or because the risk of catching covid 19 and dying is higher than delaying treatment and dying. My friend has had her cancer treatment delayed because she has been told by her consultant that if she catches covid 19 she will die, but delaying treatment only slightly reduces her chance of remission.
And sad though it is that a terminally ill boy can not go to McDonalds, I don't think that is worth letting thousands of other people dying for.

@walkaround

Just to check, do you have any evidence or published data to support your opinion or is it just folk-wisdom?

that's why I think people will go off sick. They simply won't be prepared to take the risk without the evidence that they are likely to be ok

They'll have to survive on £94 a week then wont they? you cant claim SSP without a doctors certificate. There will never be any evidence or guarantee that they'll be "ok". Who on earth would ever promise that? you cant. This virus isnt going to magically disappear in this magical month of September.