I thought we were having a further three weeks lockdown???

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But there is a party going on over the road and children playing out!!!

But I'll take a flouter over an informant any day. The disease they're spreading is potentially a lot more insidious than CV19

will you be saying that when you are in ITU on CPAP? When you are then sedated and moved onto a ventilator will your loved ones -(who won’t have been able to see you since you were taken off in an ambulance) be saying the same? When half of them end up in hospital on oxygen/cpap/ventilator -still think flouter is okay? Who in you family do you think is worth the sacrifice/deserves to die? That is what every flouter is basically choosing.

So what did you do OP?

@Bool
let the people that want to take their chances

Funny, I haven’t heard this advice on the daily briefings...I must have missed that

@celan you don't understand virus transmission. There.

My upstairs and downstairs neighbours are being very social. And I hear parties and people out in the street drunk all the time. Yes they are selfish idiots

And people wonder why lockdown continues. Report people who break the rules . Obviously a lot of people want to stay in lockdown forever (despite saying they don't) because they refuse to report idiots.

You must absolutely report these selfish idiots OP. I can’t believe the posters on here saying it’s fine, don’t be a snitch etc etc. It’s these people that will keep us in lockdown even longer and cost people their lives.
Do the right thing and report them OP.

Let the people that want to, take their chances. Because in the end they will gain the immunity that will help the whole population. Stop reporting them. Let them take their chances.

That's not how it works AT ALL! There's already some continued spread by people engaging in essential activities (going to the supermarket etc). If these people spread the infection too fast it's quite possibly not their own lives they'll risk it'll be the nurse who has to treat them (and still doesn't have proper PPE), or the person who served them he next day at TESCO It'll be the 65 year old who doesn't get a ventilator because the younger, healthier 35 year old at the party has it instead, it'll be the cancer patient who can't have surgery because there are no ICU beds.

But I'll take a flouter over an informant any day. The disease they're spreading is potentially a lot more insidious than CV19

Really? Is this true of crime too? You'd rather a drug dealer living next door than an informer?

I haven't seen one police officer on patrol. Military presence would be good at this point

@imboredinthehouse

Maybe you should stay up to date with the rules. Close family are now asked to go and say good bye to loved ones in the hospital that are very ill and likely to die.

That's a point WhyCan'tI

Oh no I meant your quote

@celan I can't be arsed to RTFT but just wanted to say I totally hear you. My mental health is being helped a lot at the moment by hearing kids play out near my building, and sometimes in our communal garden. I don't know if they're 'mixing' or not but there have to be some limits to what people can be expected to put up with, especially children who are really just starting to live. The sounds of their voices light up the gloom and I'm happy that some of them aren't being forced to sit indoors in good weather, when good hygiene and fresh air will go a long way to preventing transmission anyway.

Instead of worrying about how many are sticking to social distancing and how well, and relying on that as somehow the key to unlocking us all, we should actually be holding the government to account about TESTING. It's been shown beyond doubt, and even mentioned I think by Hancock, that it won't be safe to lift restrictions until we have a reliable way of tracing the infectious.

And proper PPE for people at the coal face.

People are getting het up over what someone's buying in the supermarket when they could better put that energy into protesting or campaigning about the key issues.

The one-off kid's birthday over the road is neither here nor there. And it's happened. You can't stop it now.

If there was testing, for everyone, regardless of symptoms, and tracing and tracking and treating, then we would have a handle on the real enemy. As it is we are all afraid of the invisible attack and that's crazy when we could have testing and know who and where to avoid.

@ponchek

I ate with you 100%. This government has caused this. They went against all common sense and the WHO and went for herd immunity and then turned neighbour against neighbour. So instead of people being angry at the government for allowing this to get so bad, we l people are more concerned with Sue next door but one having purple in ( without even knowing why, they just assume it's against the rules that they A- haven't even read and B- Male yo as they go along.

Instead of clapping , write to your prime minister. Tell them to give the nurses a pay rise. And when they don't, don't vote them back in. Instead of snitching on your neighbour, write to your prime minister and V tell him how disgusted you are.

But let's be honest, it's easier to clap. And your neighbours get to see you virtue signalling so it's more effective than speaking up and putting pen to paper asking for real change.

The cough sounds awful, I have been hearing it up and down my street the past three weeks. Is this what croup sounds like, the hoarse squeak- ish sound on it. I am worried about my dc catching that from the idiots putting more of it into the air. But have to just wear a mask and hope they will all be immune soon

@ponchek
I think we all realize we need more testing. The government obviously realize that too but too late and because we waited so long we're at the back of the queue and we just don't have the lab capacity of countries like Germany who actually had the sense to prepare for an inevitable pandemic. So in the mean time yes we can hold the government to account for their sluggish response to getting proper testing off the ground but we also need to accept the reality that that's happened now and work with the situation we have.

Yes call 111!

Perhaps best not to call the NHS non emergency number 😂

Er... why the hell do we need it to spread? Or the numbers to go up?! At all?!

I honestly don’t have the breath left in me to explain. Just read the facts people!

@WhyCantIThinkOfAGoodOne read this article about volunteer lab workers having nothing to test despite all the equipment, all the necessary reagents and expertise... but no tests coming through...

Absolutely shocking.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/16/swab-tester-uk-germany-south-korea

@ponchek please do read that article above. I had mistakenly thought we were waiting on necessary equipment etc. It looks like the main reason we are not testing is the government has simply not pulled its finger out. This is not on.

When I see everyone clapping, and the rainbow poster my daughter made for the window, I think how the frontline NHS workers should instead have PPE and tests. How it feels almost insane to have a health minister flashing a 'carer' badge (which apparently they have to pay to get?) and wasting time and money on that and shouting to the media about how we are too stupid to be kept informed about future plans, when he should be resolving the relatively straightforward supply issues of testing and PPE.

There is huge goodwill and gratitude to the NHS, but I wish that could be manifested in real action and protection. A rainbow poster is sweet, but will not save their lives. We would be better off all sewing hazmat suits for them.

It makes me feel a sad and also as if we are all being hoodwinked. We are doing the right thing clapping. Like we were doing the right thing washing out hands. (As demonstrated by Boris ....)

Why did out 'top' people think we would get by with just washing our hands? Wtf? When other countries were instigating proper measures? And here, borders flapping open (still), thousands of vulnerable patients sent back into care homes untested, nurses in flimsy masks dying because of a lack of protection, the health minister losing his cool and holding forth about economic policy (not his bloody remit - nothing to do with him - he should concentrate 24/7 on bringing in the tests and PPE!).

Stay focused and do your job. Protect your NHS staff with testing and the right equipment. Save lives. ...

Pina I have looked at volunteer lab work and there are new government funded labs being built now. I wonder if its a safe environment to work in. Or if I'd just be another idiot spreading it about

Yes pinacolada it feels like an actual lack of competence, of intelligence, of identifying the most effective course of action, on the part of our key ministers.

And how can there be any excuse for that, when other countries had the misfortune of going first, and we had the chance to learn from that?

A war veteran in a care home was recently quoted as saying he felt far safer in Afghanistan and wished he was there now rather than in his 'care' home.

Mind you, with Helen Whately 'in charge' of care homes, I'm not surprised. A background in management consultancy and shockingly equivocal and unaccountable in interview recently.

This is our country and our lives are at stake. Why don't we have the sharpest minds running the show? Where are the blisteringly effective professionals when we need them? Mediocrity, touchiness and playing god are really not what we need right now, more than ever.