coronavirus do you think it was here in uk in december?

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In mid december my 11 year old ds came down with a fever I remember I couldn't control his temperature with calpol and nurofen which resulted in him going to hospital with a fainting attack he does suffer fainting when temp high. When in hospital I mentioned his croup type cough he developed and the fact hed been in bed for 5 days they couldn't get rid of him quick enough. It was like they knew something and were alarmed. When he was discharged they said to contact anyone who had the same symptoms that hed been in contact with and ask them to keep a good eye on them. He also had the lack of taste and took 3 weeks to recover i came down with similar but less severe. I have since found out half his class had it. So was just wondering could this have been coronavirus thankyou

Possibly? I’m sure people travelled from China to the UK then. Anyone you know or in your community?

You’re going to get a thousand posters saying No, there’s a thread in this already and why weren’t there more deaths?

Don your hard hat, love.

There's been loads of threads about this. Please visit the CV board.

Truth of the matter is we'll never know for certain. I had a long illness late 2019 into 2020 with a cough I've never ever experienced in my life. Neighbours were banging on the wall as I just couldn't stop it, dreadful cough, like lungs on fire and a fever to sweat out the bedsheets. It took a long while to recover. I had no medical help, as I was too ill to contemplate doctor's surgery and I wouldn't have wished to sit in a waiting room and perhaps be contagious. I often wonder if i had CV-19 and would now be immune, but I'll never know for sure, so must continue with the social distancing rules. As for there not being a significant amount of deaths recorded at the time - it might have been the first stages of virus without so many deaths - or we may not have been told. Who knows?

I know five people in three places remote from each other who had dreadful illnesses in December. I have no idea.

My brother works with people from schenszen and he was so sick from 27th dec to mid jan. he never gets sick. he used to win prizes at school for not missing a day in six years. He was the sickest he has ever been with some sort of flu. Luckily he lives alone. so he didn't spread it round his office. I asked him if he thought any of the chinese people he works with could have given it to him and he poo pooed me.

I had it in January an awful flu, started with intense chest pains, and a cough I could not get rid of. The truth is seasonal flu varies in intensity and can lead to pneumonia and death and is serious but we just accept it. I just put it down to seasonal flu.

It was like they knew something and were alarmed. When he was discharged they said to contact anyone who had the same symptoms that hed been in contact with and ask them to keep a good eye on them.

That’s interesting. I work in hospitals and hadn’t heard anything at that point, nor were we warned about anything extraordinary to look out for and we certainly were not asking patients to perform contact tracing.

Which level of health care staffing did you think was hiding something? Not having a go, I would be really interested to know.

Hi OP, this is why we need a test to determine if an individual has been exposed to the virus . I think more of us have been exposed than we realise.

OH had this in January, as did a lot of his work colleagues. While he was off he kept getting texts saying more had gone down with it when he returned three had pneumonia

All said they had never had anything like it

His company has two factories in China and people travelling between

I am sure it was. A colleague travelled back after Xmas from a country subsequently badly hit. A week or two later she was very ill with out of control fever, coughing, and aches and lethargy. She is never ill. She believes she had it and I think so too.

No I don’t think so. Literally every person who was ill in December/January seems to want to pin it on Coronavirus. The truth is people get ill every year.

It was like they knew something and were alarmed. When he was discharged they said to contact anyone who had the same symptoms that hed been in contact with and ask them to keep a good eye on them
I've reported this thread for deliberate scaremongering. Op, you should be ashamed of yourself.

It is possible. It is possible that it was something else nasty going around. Or that yo came across a HCP who had read about this from China. Who knows? I suspect that there were a handful of cases going undetected here or there in the world. Eg Italy had several cases before they detected them as people were very ill when diagnosed. Possibly not for long though. Maybe four weeks before when people got infected from the way it started. ( A week to 24 days to show symptoms, a couple of weeks to get ill enouh for hospital, maybe time for one or two steps in chain of transmission? ) We may never know.

Same as all these symptoms we have had, which could be anything cold like.

Possible but entirely unverifiable, and could be attributable to any number of winter bugs (including other members of the coronavirus family) which are in plentiful supply in Britain in winter.

Unless you've had a positive diagnosis, assume you haven't had it.

A week to fourteen days FFS,

Someone I know was very ill in January and February. Several docs, xrays and 5 antibiotics later and still not much improvement. This person and their immediate family are convinced it was CV. Docs at the time said it was a long infection.

If covid had been around months ago we would be seeing a rise in the overall death rate from January. If you look at the death rates for 2020 they are average the first 2 months, then really high in March. There is no way of explaining how lots of people could have covid in December/January which fits what we have seen since march in terms of spread of the disease and death rates, so it must have been a different illness.

The alarm was raised in Wuhan in mid December. Or rather a doctor became aware of a trend in deaths and posed the idea of a potential new virus in mid December. It is of course possible that someone travelled back with the virus and spread it your child and their school. However, it seems unlikely that British doctors would have been aware of the significance of his symptoms and potential links to Covid-19 at that point, given that alarm was only starting in Wuhan at that point. Their reaction was likely to having a potential virus on their hands (which they do but probably not to the extent they imagined). Every year there are always bad viruses that some people will really struggle to shake. My dad came down with a virus which lead to pneumonia with symptoms very similar to Covid-19 but this was about 3 years ago, so definitely not covid-19. Knowing that we are currently in a pandemic people are looking back to the virus they had this flu season and assuming (hoping?) it was covid-19. It might have been but it also might not have been and there is no way to tell because your son wasn’t tested. Even if they develop antibody testing and he tests positive for antibodies indicating he has had cobid-19, the illness he suffered in December could have been something else and he then caught Covid-19 but was asymptomatic with it.

It's not entirely outside the realm of possibility that it could have been circulating earlier than when it was first identified and went under the radar due to it being cold/flu/winter virus season but - as yet - there is no firm evidence to say for certain one way or the other.

This is why we need antibody testing.

Scaremongering? Yeah, that's what people were saying about us buying bog roll and extra food in January... that and crazy, fucking mental etc. Scaremongering has lost its threat as an insult.

I doubt that there were a lot of cases. Certainly not enough to be statistically significant to death rates.

I've reported this thread for deliberate scaremongering. Op, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Why is it scaremongering? Surely it’s the opposite of scaremongering - reassurancemongering perhaps. Wouldn’t it be a positive thing if a lot more people have had it, and recovered from it, than the official statistics say?

4 years ago I caught terrible flu that made me very very ill. The symptoms included a cough that was nothing like any other cough I’ve ever experienced, plus breathing difficulties and a very high temperature. I was wiped out for nearly 3 weeks. If I came down with it this year I’d immediately think it was Covid19. But it wasn’t - it was flu. Therefore it’s entirely possible that you caught that strain of flu or a similar one in December.

I do, however, think there were a lot more cases than were known about in the U.K. in February.

FFS again? No.