The brewing scandal that could bring the government down

[vera99]

The British public are being lied to by the Boris Johnson government over its handling of COVID-19, the scale of related fatalities and subsequent fallout. As the death rate escalates and Britain rapidly rises in the chart of deaths-per-million, currently 7th in the world and fifth in numbers, the government is now looking to deny, cover-up or spin its trail of failure.

truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/the-brewing-scandal-that-could-bring-the-government-down/

Yes they have made mistakes like most other governments trying to deal with this.
And the government have been so open about them

Unfortunately it won't bring down the government. There are people out there right now who think they're doing a good job FFS.

They had weeks and weeks to ramp up production of PPE, to develop enough testing kits, to lock down ... and haven't bothered. I personally know of a company who offered to turn their factory over to PPE production and the government turned them down. So they've done it anyway and are selling to other European countries. It's a fucking joke.

My DD is frontline in the NHS, and they're still being sent to patients with over-used masks and often no proper aprons. Yet Johnson and his chums are telling us everything's OK.

This government has a lot of blood on its hands. And I only hope that everyone will see that at the end of this. But they won't because "good old Boris" is so fucking fantastic.

There are no right and wrongs in this situation just options with different benefits and different harms and hindsight is a wonderful thing.

How about stockpile of PPE not as big as there own emergency planning said it should be?

i fucking hate conspiracy theorists

They all read the same, these various shades of conspiracy theories. The only thing that varies is the number of exclamation marks used.

There are people out there right now who think they're doing a good job FFS.
you are so right LidlDonkey
Heartbreaking
How many people need to die (and, no, clapping does not protect bus drivers or shop assistants or doctors or carers or nurses or anybody at all) before people start really bringing their elected government to account?

Free beer for all! (need a beer emoji on here)

The 2016 pandemic exercise was done and the results ignored. Not good.

All democracies need a viable opposition party. When was that last the case? Not good.

And here we are in the deepest shit. Not good.

We are even running out of body bags. Not good.

@vera99 Bring down the government? Bahahaha. You are an embarrassment lol

Would that be the same trupublica that boasts Craig Murray and John Pilger among its contributors and who did not believe that the Novichok that killed Sergei Skripal had anything to do with the Russians?

Statistician999
Would that be the same trupublica that boasts Craig Murray and John Pilger among its contributors and who did not believe that the Novichok that killed Sergei Skripal had anything to do with the Russians?
Does it matter?
Fact checking is possible for all sources

We can hope but with the media covering their asses, at this point they could open death camps and get away with it.

Randomschoolworker19 All this is true. Not just for UK but pretty much every govt. Netherlands ordered tests from China only to find they were useless. Ditto UK. Only countries I have seen with super PPE are China and Singapore for obvious reasons. All western govts have been caught short in part because they have never experienced this (most of Asia has had Sars experience) and because for decades the west has depended on cheap Asian based manufacturing. I say this cautiously knowing it can have other devastating impacts on manufacturing in developing countries but there is some sense in the Republicans thinking that production of essential medicines and equipment needs to shift back (may be in part) to the west(I would say be more widespread than concentrated in China. Germany has done better for a range of political, economic and cultural reasons. So if the solution is to bring down govts then the following governments should not be spared: Spain, Italy, US, UK, France, and the list will keep expanding as time goes. Oh, Netherlands for not having optimal testing capacity. Can you imagine how well that would go with China?

bylinetimes.com/2020/04/03/the-coronavirus-crisis-herd-immunity-has-infected-uk-policy-but-who-was-patient-zero-for-this-toxic-transatlantic-idea/

Perhaps Vera is bored and thumb-twiddling at home, and has been asked to summon up some clickbait?

I think anyone is an expert with the gift of hind site and the joy of sitting on the sidelines doing nothing better than criticising decisions, whilst not have to make any themseleves .
Any one can see if there common problems globally the current government can't be complelty to blame

So silly and as for bringing the Government down - in your dreams.

No doubt Jezza and Karl Marx would have done a better job than Boris and Rishi ... 😂

I thought the beer was being turned into handwash.

Meantime, for future reference, if you want adequate supplies of stuff in a crisis, it helps if you have a manufacturing base that actually makes things in this country rather than importing it all from places with child labour and no workers rights.

No one is forced to post and we stand at an unprecedented time in our post-war history when Parliament is no longer sitting and a government in power whilst seemingly popular from the Corbyn/Brexit clusterfuck has a well-earned reputation for mendacity and lying. Some of the Tory thought police would just we would crawl away and keep quiet. But questions need to be answered by all means attack the facts and dispute them other all this tedious stop bashing the government / it's not political is in fact pretty tedious in itself. The debate needs to be had and we are having it.

Everyone has all the answers, so they are all armchair experts.

what is the debate @vera99?

I cannot quite get your point.

@littleeasterbonnet I think we are all bored at home tbh.I want my old life back....

@LidlDonkey some of the criticism you level at the government is not correct. Its PHE who may be to blame for being so bureaucratic. Civil servants make a lot of the decisions.

I can understand - though it wasn't right- for PHE not to want to contract in unknown companies whose products may not pass muster, as they were not on an approved list.

We can all see with hindsight that may have been wrong, but these are very hard times and any decisions were made with safety as the main factor at the time.

All governments are playing catch up with this.

The country that is doing better- Germany- is a privately run health service.

Now there;s a thought.