Your normal is history

[Devlesko]

Ok, I can understand that many have either not lived through, or been affected by a recession before.
But do people really expect the past normal, before the virus, to become the normal of the future. AINBU to say wake up and start preparing to maybe lose your job, income, home, and get used to living without the luxuries, as recessions have proved in the past.

Or AIBU and this isn't going to happen and we'll all live happily ever after, just with thousands dead, no recession at all.

Scaremongering shit. How about we get through this bit by bit and ignore the doom mongers who claim they know better than anyone else, love to get people worked up even more than they are already, and kick those who are struggling with mental health as it is.

It's just attention seeking.

We had no luxuries before but could pay our bills and now we have no income at all and are waiting for universal credit while running up debts we are very aware we have no way of paying back. I think it’s obvious for many of us things might not ever be the old normal again.

Op, are you maybe hoping that’s what will happen? The middle will be squeezed and lose their luxuries?

Some people will go back to normal, others will not. Some might even get richer. That’s the way of it. Yes the poor can get poorer. People who were just managing can cease to manage. People who were once comfortable may no longer be. Others will continue to be.

A four to six week lock down we can likely bounce back from relatively quickly. The world can. It’s not world ending. Yes there will still be restrictions, yes it will likely continue in the hospitality airline industry etc for longer, but your doom and gloom post aimed at people loosing their luxuries reads like possibly you’d quite like that to happen.

I live on my own. Just prior to lockdown I had 3 interviews for jobs that obviously never happened. I hate my work with a passion. I'm bullied and this weekend all the old suicidal thoughts are back with a vengeance.
I desperately want to walk out, but darent because I have no idea what the job culture will be like. Honestly feel at the moment my only 2 options are carry on, or end it all. I completely understand how recessions kill

What will be will be, and the world categorically will not end

Yup- and if the world got "back to normal" after two world wars which lasted YEARS then I doubt its expecting too much after this

If you don't want to post then don't. There's other threads discussing "the new normal".
Feel free to report this thread. Make sure to report all the others too.
Many thanks.
I have mh issues too, and am poor, having lost 75% of our family income. Another one of my points, nobody is immune, just some experience worse than others.
Conspiracy theories and end of world, not me. Open minded, but don't believe conspiracy theories.

Op, are you maybe hoping that’s what will happen? The middle will be squeezed and lose their luxuries?

of course that what's the OP wishes. Wishing it doesn't mean it's likely to happen though.

@MamaBearLockdown

I totally agree that very few threads contain wholly factual information, and I do believe it is very good and in our human nature to think about every possibility.

But I don't agree with threads that create worry, increase anxiety and promote potential hysteria with very limited gain in what is actually being discussed.

Already people on this thread have said this thread has increased their worries, that is not something that should be seen as acceptable just because it is MN.

Did you think it was a Public Service Announcement to say all that, OP?

I have mh issues too, and am poor, having lost 75% of our family income

I’m sorry you’re going through this and hope you find another job or your business picks up. I also understand how you might think it’s unfair if it doesn’t happen to others who seem well off in your eyes.

The way of the world op is some are better off, some worse off. I hope things look better for you soon, but this thread is not very helpful or realistic.

Surely the Government can just print money into oblivion?

I think this is a bit alarmist. Yes things will change and the economy will take a hit but it’s not going to become a Mad Max landscape for the rest of eternity.

Didn’t you say this the other day OP?

Nothing has changed much for us either.
We bought some cheaper brands anyway, had prepped for Brexit so had lots of none perishable, including a stash of loo rolls
We've lost 70% of our business, but live frugally anyway

Ok, I can understand that many have either not lived through, or been affected by a recession before.
You are presuming an awful lot there. I think most of us are at an age where we have already lived through a recession probbly more than once!

income, home, and get used to living without the luxuries, as recessions have proved in the past.
So no change in my life then so I dont need to prepare.
Seeing as many have lost their jobs already or on reduced hours or wages how do we prepare?

We dont need preachy posts telling us what to do because we are all so stupid and you arent.
Get off your scaremongering soap box and go and do something more useful instead.

Maybe our new normal will be better in some ways; less unnecessary travel, more time spent with family, a re-evaluation of what really matters e.g. time instead of material things?

@Coldemort

Please don’t do anything. It’s a permanent solution to a temporary problem. This will pass.

Can you get yourself signed off sick for a couple of weeks, to give yourself some breathing space from work?

You have a funny idea of normal OP. Recessions are normal things, living without luxuries is a normal thing. People lose their jobs all the time. It might well get worse for a while but that's all.

I don't think any of it adds up, OP.

This is what you've said on the 'Something doesn't add up to me thread' Op.

I don't understand why you think truths are t being to.d and yet catastrophising here.

Our lives will be relatively the same as they were before potentially minus my very modest income. We're mid 50"s so we've been through recessions before and our lives didn't change hugely then either.

Surely most of us have lived through a recession before? Life does go on fairly normally for most people. Ours didn't suffer much during the 2008 crash. But yes, there's a risk to lives and livelihoods. I don't see the sense in speculating too much about the unknown. I'm also hoping there will be some positives to come out of this experience too.

It's going to feel really weird for me after this 12 weeks. I've got so used to being inside and comfortable in my own atmosphere
I hope I have a job to go back to but you never know.

TankGirl

I think a lot of positives will come too, I was just being realistic, that our normal will be different and not as before, for bad and good.

Thigh

You seem determined to paint me as some kind of conspiracist, carry on dear.

I don't think any of it adds up, OP. Of course it doesn't, we have no idea of totals, infections, who has died, because the gov have made a right cock up. We can't compare to other countries as they have reported differently, It clearly doesn't add up.
Hope you understand a bit better now, but carry on, my love. I'm just a conspiricist because you don't like my posts.

For the record, I don't want anyone to lose their jobs, how on earth will that get us on our feet again? We need people working to keep the economy going as they will be the ones spending. Those without money won't be.
My point of the thread was to highlight the fact that things will be different and some people will lose their jobs, and that some people aren't being realistic as what is likely to happen.
If you aren't one of these people why take umbrage to it being said, if it doesn't relate to you.

Surely the Government can just print money into oblivion?

Good god, no. That's what Germany did in the 1920s. Look where that got them...

So to lots of folk this is not new, used to it already, you see

So true. Many people live rurally or otherwise isolated, because of age - or in my case an adult daughter with significant SN. The only thing I'm finding more difficult than usual is getting a weekly shopping delivery. When that resolves things will be back to near normal for me.

Heh. I took her out to the park last week and was approached by a park warden for sitting on a bench. Not allowed. Dangerous. I invited him to persuade her off it because I couldn't. He was very good with her when he realised but advised us to wash our hands.

I don't think most people will ever get back to the old normal. There will be a new normal and it will eventually be a better normal. I know that's twee but this thing is huge. We need to manage our expectations. We won't be up and running by mid July. Of course I don't know that as fact, it's an educated guess. Managing expectations is an important tool in managing the virus.

Of course things will go back to normal; it might take a while but it will