Your normal is history

[Devlesko]

Ok, I can understand that many have either not lived through, or been affected by a recession before.
But do people really expect the past normal, before the virus, to become the normal of the future. AINBU to say wake up and start preparing to maybe lose your job, income, home, and get used to living without the luxuries, as recessions have proved in the past.

Or AIBU and this isn't going to happen and we'll all live happily ever after, just with thousands dead, no recession at all.

I agree

Not everyone will be as badly affected as you seem to think. Yes the middleclasses will prob be worst affected.

In my personal circumstances it could go either way. I was let go a few weeks ago then my work contacted me recently and furloughed me which i was so grateful for. As i originally lost my job and have essentially got it back however my hours will be greatly reduced but our customers will deffo be back when reopened.

That might be the same for a lot of furloughed people whos businesses will get money from the government so they can reopen. Of course not every business will be able to as many shops are in liquidation even before this.

But as i said before. Society will resume as normal even with a recession. People worst affected might have to take on jobs they never would have considered before.

Like after the black death and the great wars some power imbalances were readdressed so hopefully the same will happen here although no one can know what will happen until we get there.

Thigh

I don't think so.

crying

I wasn't aware we had to be invited to start a thread. Nobody asked you to post either.

At the moment, nobody has a clue what normal will look like and when we’ll see it
This is my point, I think it's not good for anyone to suggest everything will be the same and we'll go back to "normal" that was before this virus.

How is people suggesting it'll return to normal any worse than you suggesting everyone will lose their jobs and the recession will hit everyone really hard.

Unless you can see into the future, threads like these are pure scaremongering.

The people who used to wander the streets with a placard saying the end is nigh have all had to migrate online now...

How is this helpful, OP? All it will do is further worry those with anxiety, whose mental health is fragile anyway.

Your conspiracy theories and end of days rhetoric are hurting those people and gaining nothing.

Can threads like these be reported? Anyone?

I'm not too sure but I really don't agree with the scaremongering.

Well I lived through a communist regime,a revolution, an alleged complete change of regime, recession in one country, recession in a different country and now this. Some other bits too but they are fairly meh.

Things were shit for many many people before this. Things are shit now. Things will be even more shit after for many more people. But a lot of people will also go back to normal, because everyone's normal is different.

As an aside have you even considered the effect your thread will have on the people that are already struggling really badly with anxiety and stress, the people that are suicidal, the people that are barely hanging by a thread?

You want to go all dementor,fine,suit yourself, but don't inflict that on other.

I think you can report any thread to mn and they will review it and see if it needs to stay or go.

But to Op what point are you trying to make? In what concept do you mean return to normal?

Society will return to normal. 100% certainty. Society always returns to normal following these just not straight away.

If you mean will there be a recession and how long will it last and who will it affect then we can't answer that until this is over and restrictions are relaxed again.

This is my point, I think it's not good for anyone to suggest everything will be the same and we'll go back to "normal" that was before this virus.

It also isn’t good for you to suggest that everyone will lose their jobs and filling everyone with doom and gloom at the moment.

As for your comments that the poor won’t be affected during a recession - if you’re going to start a scaremongering thread at least do it correctly. Of course, the poor will be affected if there is a recession. If there is a recession, that will mean cuts to public spending and services. Even if you only count homeless people in this, those without jobs or homes as you stated have nothing further to lose. During a recession, homelessness would increase meaning less resources for those already homeless. If everyone is feeling the pinch, people aren’t giving to food banks or shelters, they aren’t giving to charity. In a recession the poor come out the worst. They always do.

Thanks for this OP, just what I needed

Already upset and worried but I'll take your advice and prepare to lose my house as well

Doesn’t really effect me.
Being disabled and having a disabled DC we already got treated like shit before hand with lack of funding/support/ etc. Will be no different after the pandemic so I’m not bothered but YABU for scare mongering.

Great post @PrincessConsueIaBananaHammock

@CantstayCalm

ok- and just how do you advise that we "prepare" for losing our jobs, homes and everything we hold dear? Its a bit late now to start saving up if youve already lost your job isn't it?

Sorry but scaremongering threads like this really annoy me. We all bloody KNOW this situation is awful, we dont need you shouting at us for not acknowledging it enough. WTF do you want people to do?! run around screaming in the streets?

geez.

Reported.

Threads like these that contain no factual information benefit no one.

But, for some of us, life hasn't really changed very much. Yes, I haven't seen my parents in a while but I was on maternity leave anyway so the only real difference is having to listen to my DH shout in conference calls all day long. I am very aware that I'm in a very privileged position but I don't think it's deluded to think that nothing much will change in my life - and I'm considered high risk/borderline shielded so it's not like I'm unaware of the dangers!

I don't think the poor will be worse off, you can't have anything taken away if you don't have it.

you tell that to the poorer population in, for example, the USA who haven't got access to health care - and other countries are even worst.

Anyway, define "poor" - do you mean the English definition which is "having less than"?

Either way you look at it, your reasoning is wrong.

*Reported.

Threads like these that contain no factual information benefit no one*

Agreed. I have reported it too.

Threads like these that contain no factual information benefit no one.

It's MN, most threads have no factual information
I think the OP is talking utter nonsense, but most of the threads on here are

Jesus I don't think this is what the majority of people need right now. How the hell would you know? Life goes on, people make the most of it. I'll tell you one thing, people not mixing with other people will not be 'the new normal' - no weddings and funerals etc aside , how the hell are single people expected to meet anyone ever again? People hugging their parents. People moving up and on in their lives.

This will be looked back on like the Cuban missile crisis, it will be a blip.

Go drink some more gin and bother your immediately family OP.

Nobody knows, this is an unprecedented recession as an epidemic is such a rare event and forcing businesses to shut down is new territory for everyone. Focus on the good news that the lockdowns do appear to work.

It really feels as though some people are just enjoying the drama and hysteria. You don't know what will happen, and everyone will have different experiences. Some will have a worse time financially, others will not see much difference at all.

Take a deep breath and stop trying to freak people out with your dramatics. What will be will be, and the world categorically will not end.

10-15% unemployment for a decade or so.
Much higher taxes.
Probably a windfall tax on those with over £1m in property or other assets at some point.
Wealth redistribution.
Finally, finally, a privately run health service.
Severe clampdown on cross-border travel globally. No more casual foreign jaunts, get used to the lakes and seaside again.
A massive amount of secondary and tertiary death because of the lockdown and damage to the economy. Far worse than the virus itself.

But, eventually, things will reset. It needed doing.
And it isn't as though we were going to do it voluntarily.

YANBU, the speed of this current crash is unprecedented, mainstream economists are talking about a depression. I think it depends on how long we have to lock down economic activity.