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Moving from one empty house to another

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ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 10:35

I would like some common sense opinions on this.

My partner and I both live separately, 20 miles apart. In normal life we essentially live 'together' in each other's houses, switching between the two.

DP is a key worker doing sporadic shifts. We've both been entirely isolating since before the lockdown other than when DP is at work, the only person I've had close contact with is DP. We have no children. We live rurally, so when at home we go for walks, where we often see no one, occasionally walk past another walker. That's it. We touch nothing when we are out walking, we are extremely careful.

We both have elderly vulnerable parents who live near our respective homes, so we have been their primary source of deliveries - online groceries are impossible to get. So they have been relying on us to do their shopping for them.

We were at my house when lockdown was announced, so we stayed at mine. However, DP then needed a prescription urgently, so we travelled to his town to collect it - rather than doubling the travel by returning to my house, we stayed at his house until he went to work, then self isolated at his house for a week after he had finished work. During that time we took a delivery to his parents - keeping a large distance between us in the garden.

Then my family needed prescriptions and groceries, so we did the same for them and again decided to miminise the travel by locking down at my house for a week. However, my family have been extremely critical of me moving between two houses like this.

Our community have been extremely vocal about second home owners coming to stay on holiday - there has been some very unpleasant stuff on social media. And I completely agree that people shouldn't be doing that. However the reasons that people shouldn't come to their second homes are that they could be bringing infection from another area to our community, they are putting added pressure on our small grocery shop, they belong to a different health board so are putting additional pressure on our stretched resources. Those issues simply don't apply here because I already live here and am just moving between two empty houses within the same health board area, using the same grocery store for both houses. The infection transmission risk in doing what I'm doing is minimal.

My mother says she fully understands that we are minimizing risk, but she believes that the rules are the rules and I shouldn't be driving. We fell out over it yesterday and it has really upset me. DP is currently at work, so we're going to lockdown at his house once he's home to minimise risk to anyone else. My mother told me I should stay there for the duration of the lockdown now.

I simply can't see how what I'm doing in any way increases risk.

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BBCONEANDTWO · 13/04/2020 10:42

I think that's like travelling to a second home - so your mum is correct. You probably are minimising risk but it's still wrong.

Quartz2208 · 13/04/2020 10:45

I think strictly speaking yes it isnt within the guidelines but you are doing it to deliver stuff to vulnerable parents which is why you are driving?

ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 10:48

Yes each time we've moved between houses it has been because we needed to pick up a prescription (once from DP's town, once from mine for my parents) which we then coupled with delivering groceries to maximise the usefulness of the journey. We also then stayed at the nearest house so that we didn't have to travel back, thus cutting the journey in half.

It really isn't like travelling to a second home, because the reason people are being told not to go to their second homes is because they could be bringing it from one area of the country to another, putting pressure on potentially small rural services like shops which aren't set up for extra people and adding pressure to a health board to which they don't belong. We are doing none of those things.

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fedupandlookingforchange · 13/04/2020 10:49

On another thread separated parents, in two households, with children travelling between both households are treating the two households as one unit for the restrictions.

ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 10:51

On another thread separated parents, in two households, with children travelling between both households are treating the two households as one unit for the restrictions

Yes that sounds sensible - because the 'unit' is the family. The reason for the restrictions is to minimise spread between people. So those people are already mixing, the physical space they're occupying is irrelevant provided it's not in an entirely different health board etc.

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sansgender · 13/04/2020 10:57

If you're not travelling unnecessarily to get to the other home, and are in fact minimising travel by doing it this way, then I think it's fine

ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 10:59

DP has been at work, so I've been isolating at my house for the duration (he works away for periods of time). I'm going to his house today which is technically the first non-essential journey I will have made. But I will then lockdown with him. I'm just a bit gutted that my mother has made it clear that she doesn't want me to come back for potentially several weeks because it's against the rules.

It has hurt me because I've been extremely careful with infection control. I warned my parents about this weeks before it was being taken seriously by the government. I've done all their shopping for them which causes me extreme anxiety - going to a supermarket is stressful! I would never do anything to put them at risk.

I have a cousin who lives nearby - my Mum will have to rely on her from now on. Even as she was telling me off yesterday for breaking the rules, cousin dropped by, standing way too close to my parents with her children running around... and said she'd be back again tomorrow to collect some flowers (by car!). Apparently those rules are fine to be broken!!

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Jollitwiglet · 13/04/2020 11:01

Well if you want to be picky then it doesn't take both of you to pick things up and deliver to each set of parents. You could each stay at your own house and each help your own parents.

ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 11:04

Well if you want to be picky then it doesn't take both of you to pick things up and deliver to each set of parents. You could each stay at your own house and each help your own parents.

Yes you're right - but how would us being separated help infection control in any way?

The supermarket is near DP's house - I'd be driving past his to go shopping. Plus, that would mean both of us making two separate trips to the supermarket. As it is, DP does most of the shopping for all 3 households because I struggle with the anxiety.

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SoloMummy · 13/04/2020 11:07

You can both have respective homes and parents to care for.

You DON'T live together. You simply stay with one another when convenient.

This IS breaking the rules. It IS increasing the risks. You being at home isolated with no contact with oh, and reduces the risk in your area.

You're trying to justify and there is no justification, except your selfishness.

Cosmodian · 13/04/2020 11:18

You could each stay at your own house and each help your own parents.

StealthMama · 13/04/2020 11:22

but how would us being separated help infection control in any way?

Because your partner is going to work and risks bringing the infection back to you, and both of you to both your parents. Social distancing isn't proven fact but it is minimum guidelines. You don't live together in the same household, so you shouldn't be seeing each other.

20 miles on the road for return journeys each week is increasing the risk you need help too. Break downs, accidents, buying fuel.

You're barely following the guidelines at all to be honest.

ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 11:23

It IS increasing the risks. You being at home isolated with no contact with oh, and reduces the risk in your area

How?

If we each stay at our respective homes and do the shopping, prescription delivery etc for our own parents - that increases the risks because it means 2 x journeys to the supermarket, 2 people going shopping.

By staying together, we do one journey, usually DP on his own so I don't have to. Then deliver to our respective parents and stay in whichever house is closest.

How is it increasing infection?

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ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 11:26

Because your partner is going to work and risks bringing the infection back to you, and both of you to both your parents. Social distancing isn't proven fact but it is minimum guidelines. You don't live together in the same household, so you shouldn't be seeing each other.

The guidelines said that partners who lived separately should consider moving in together. So that's essentially what we have done.

Yes, obviously I could completely eliminate the risk of him transmitting it to me by not seeing him at all. Likewise you could argue parents of separated children could eliminate risk of transfer by not seeing their kids. But we aren't doing that just like many others aren't. My question isn't about whether it's safe to live with my partner - it's about whether there is any additional risk in moving between two empty houses in the same area.

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ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 11:28

20 miles on the road for return journeys each week is increasing the risk you need help too. Break downs, accidents, buying fuel.

But that's exactly my point. If I stayed at my house I would indeed be doing a 20 mile return trip each week, increasing the risk of accidents etc.

I'm not doing that. I'm going one way, staying there a week, coming back, staying here a week... it's literally halving the amount of return journeys I'm having to do.

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ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 11:30

The supermarket is 20 miles away, near DP's house - sorry, should have made that clearer.

So I can do a 20 mile round trip to supermarket and back, and we can both visit the supermarket separately, and deliver to our parents. Or I can do the 20 mile trip one way, stay there, go shopping, pick up prescriptions, deliver to parents, and stay there - only travelling that 20 mile journey when necessary.

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TARSCOUT · 13/04/2020 11:30

I think you are making it way more complicated.than it needs to be. If you both live near enough to use the same supermarket why don't you just stay in one house?

NotEverythingIsBlackandwhite · 13/04/2020 11:31

Yes you're right - but how would us being separated help infection control in any way?
I can't help but laugh at the amount of people who say they are "self-isolating" then go on to say things like other than when DP is at work.

You are exposing each other and both of your vulnerable families to every single person that your DP comes into contact with when he is doing his key workers job.

Do you really think you are minimising the risk of you or any of your sets of parents contracting CV via your DP or his contacts?

Clearly you just don't get it.

Viviennemary · 13/04/2020 11:31

You shouldn't be moving between houses if you adhere to the guidelines.

ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 11:34

You are exposing each other and both of your vulnerable families to every single person that your DP comes into contact with when he is doing his key workers job.

Yes we are, but we have no choice but to deliver them groceries like many other key workers have to. I have no contact with them - we deliver stuff to the garden and stay well away.

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ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 11:35

I think you are making it way more complicated.than it needs to be. If you both live near enough to use the same supermarket why don't you just stay in one house?

We can - but once I've done the 20 mile trip from the supermarket to deliver to parents, I may as well just stay at my house until we need to shop again, rather than drive the 20 miles back to DPs then do the journey all over again in a weeks time.

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ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 11:36

I can't help but laugh at the amount of people who say they are "self-isolating" then go on to say things like other than when DP is at work

But I am completely isolated - I haven't been within 50 metres of another human being other than DP for 4 weeks.

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Cosmodian · 13/04/2020 11:44

But that's exactly my point. If I stayed at my house I would indeed be doing a 20 mile return trip each week, increasing the risk of accidents etc.

But why would you be travelling 20 miles? I thought from your OP your parents live near you

Fifthtimelucky · 13/04/2020 11:45

It sounds odd because of the distances involved. Most people don't have to drive 20 miles to their nearest supermarket.

You may have to, but if you don't, you should be going to your nearest one rather then making an unnecessarily long journey.

ImaPinkToothbrush · 13/04/2020 11:45

But why would you be travelling 20 miles? I thought from your OP your parents live near you

Yes they do. 20 miles round trip to the supermarket

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