Are you going to send your kids back in when they reopen?

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Wondering if people will send them back.
As they think only 4-10% of population might have had it. And this peak was only 4w of school.
Im not shielding but isolating as much as possible because im
asthmatic.

I hope they say attendance isnt mandatory so people who need to/want to or are still WFH can keep them home if needed.

@Random18 Yes they do have access to that data. The balance between economy and lives is a political decision. Our government has put the economy first every single time.

Of course our children will have a future. That is total catastrophising. Society is not going to collapse.
But children's world will collapse if their parent dies.

My children are homeschooled anyway so obviously will not go to school but once schools open we will probably start going to parks and meet ups with other children again.

In my US state, schools are now closed till Sept 1st.

Will I send them back then? I think so - I have good faith in our school system's decision making, which is based on state Dept of Education and state CDC guidance.

I imagine going back to school will be a phased approach that involves regular health checks, people being asked to quarantine again if necessary, etc.

It’s absolutely not about money for me, I’m a SAHM with a 1 year at home anyway so makes no real difference to me whether my 6 and 4 year olds are at home too.
When the schools open, I will look at the information available at that time (which is information we don’t have available at this time), and make a decision based on the risks to my children. And by risks, I don’t just mean the risks of coronavirus, but also the risks to their emotional and mental wellbeing.

Schools can't physically accommodate most or all children unless teachers and TAs in the vulnerable group return to work.

allout so you are telling me that the WHO have all the details about how much unemployment benefit the UK are paying, how much the furlough is costing, business rates, the receipts the gift will get from taxes, the money spent on the NHS etc etc.

And they have that for every single country (except Taiwan of course) and they base their advice on that?

Of course its a political decision. Every single government on the planet are having to look at their own individual circumstances and make the decisions based on the data they have.

The WHO get to advise, and make random comments without naming countries.

We’ve all had it in my household so will be skipping back to school with glee

It will be a risk balancing exercise and I think once it hits June for me the risks of not sending probably outweigh the sending. But none of us have underlying health conditions and their is a 50/50 chance we have had it. I would like to see an antibody test appear in May because if we have had it (and it looks like immunity is likely to be effective in the short term to cover the vaccine) and it looks like the reinfection panic has died down.

Here is the WHO about reopening stuff, its clear I think from this it will be supportive of opening things up before a vaccine is in place

www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---10-april-2020

So I think it is about deciding when the level of risk is sufficiently small enough to match the level of risk we all face from everything else on a day to day basis

@alloutoffucks why do you slavishly believe that the WHO knows everything and that they know what they are doing? They were as much caught on the backfoot as anyone else and made some interesting politically driven decisions early on. They have made their mistakes in this as much as everyone else.

How are you all going to force staff at schools to work?

I won't be sending mine back anytime soon. But I don't think schools will reopen soon anyway. It's fairly clear we haven't yet reached the peak of hospitalisations, so it would be madness, even for a government that doesn't seem to care much about human life or even for the facts. But if they try, I think teachers will decline to put themselves in the firing line in sufficient numbers for it to work. That is after all why most schools in England, at least, closed when they did.

My guess is that it will be September and I'll be looking at the situation and making my own decision when we get to that point, e.g. at the infection rate (if it can be discerned from the number of tests being done by then), the state of things in the hospitals, what is known by then about immunity and ability to be reinfected, whether or not a treatment has been approved and is available, etc. If I'm unconvinced going back is wise, I'll probably keep my ds13 at home, as his education is at a less vital stage and his opportunities (and inclination) to be hygienic less good. But I'll send my ds17 in, as his education is at a really important stage and he has much more control over what he does, where he goes, who he mixes with, and can be trusted to exercise good hand and face hygiene.

Anyone who thinks the government can be trusted to make the best decision based on 'the science' might like to listen to this panel discussion, hosted by Paul Mason and Afua Hirsch, which features a rather different more knowledgeable kind of expert from that in favour at the moment: .

late why would they not go to work?

They need to pay their bills like everyone else.

If they have health risks then that should be taken into consideration.

But if everyone else is expected to work why shouldn't teachers work?

The situation in the last week was a shambles. State schools with classes closed. Private shutting early due to safety concerns.

If we go back at what is deemed too early it’ll just be the same.

The WHO:

• ignored warnings last December from Taiwan that there were signs of human-to-human transmission

-trusted claims in by the Chinese government that there were no signs of human transmission

• recommended against travel restrictions, claiming that this would be “ineffective”

• waited until the virus spread to 114 countries before announcing a pandemic

• ... and then had the temerity to criticise individual countries for “alarming levels of inaction”

• refused to acknowledge a reporter’s question about the Taiwan situation because this would go against the Chinese government’s geopolitical wishes

They have behaved appallingly. I agree that the response of all governments needs to be looked at closely, but why anyone would blindly trust the WHO is beyond me.

@Quartz2208 I read almost everything WHO was saying in the early days, no they were not caught on the back foot at all. Our government ignored their guidance.
I am assuming you are referring to when they called this a pandemic? That is a political decision. Pandemic just means a a new virus that spreads to multiple countries. That has happened lots of times. It is a political decision when to declare it as an official pandemic to get governments to take notice.

I really don’t know.
The earliest that I would consider is June.

Almost everyone despise snitches. Maybe, one day, the snitch(es) will meet some one stronger?/bigger?/tougher?/braver? than he/she is

Those saying is money more important, what do we do give up our jobs? I am still working now so sadly my children are as much risk now as they would be if they went back to school. So do all key workers just quit their jobs to keep their families safe?

There is no point going back and forth with @alloutoffucks. She obviously works for the WHO and is anti Government. Whatever you say won’t convince her otherwise. She will blindly keep spouting her agenda regardless of the facts.

@Jillyhilly

• ignored warnings last December from Taiwan that there were signs of human-to-human transmission

NOT TRUE

-trusted claims in by the Chinese government that there were no signs of human transmission
SAID THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE - THAT IS TRUE THEY HAD NO EVIDENCE. BUT MADE NO MORE SPECIFIC DECLARATIONS UNTIL THEY COULD TEST IT FOR THEMSELVES.

• recommended against travel restrictions, claiming that this would be “ineffective”

YES BECAUSE THEY WERE DEALING WITH COUNTRIES WITH BORDERS THAT COULD NOT BE EASILY POLICED. THEY SAID THAT IT WAS BEST TO KNOW WHO WAS GOING IN AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY THAN HAVING PEOPLE ILLEGALLY CROSSING BORDERS. LOOK AT THE CONTEXT.

• waited until the virus spread to 114 countries before announcing a pandemic

AS I EXPLAINED THIS IS A POLITICAL DECISION.

• ... and then had the temerity to criticise individual countries for “alarming levels of inaction”

THEY WERE RIGHT TO CRITICISE

• refused to acknowledge a reporter’s question about the Taiwan situation because this would go against the Chinese government’s geopolitical wishes

THEY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL POLITICALLY. SO WHEN THEY CRITICISE GOVERNMENTS INCLUDING THE UK, THEY DO NOT NAME THEM. BUT IT IS CLEAR. THEY NEED THE COOPERATION OF MULTIPLE GOVERNMENTS.

And yes I know the UK government wants to rubbish WHO as the government ignored everything WHO said and is now being proved to have been wrong. So they throw mud at WHO.

@bool You were the one rubbishing my comments a number of weeks ago about how serious this all is and how a lot of people would die.
No I do not work for WHO. I do work for a scientific company and can read research. I know when someone is bullshitting with "science".

But if they try, I think teachers will decline to put themselves in the firing line in sufficient numbers for it to work. That is after all why most schools in England, at least, closed when they did

Not true at all. Schools remain open to KW children. That decision was made by the Gov not by schools. Schools had enough staff to function at that point.
I work for an LA - we didn't have a single school ( out of nearly 500) that was closed or likely to close due to lack of staff.

Yes like when she said over a million have died from coronvirus worldwide, she’s still 890,000 out, she quotes what suits her agenda.

@Kez0777 I think the government just cares about the money, not about ordinary people. As Cummings is reported to have said when told a lot of old people will die - tough luck.
Individual families it is totally different. We all have to house and feed our kids. If government does not protect them then we have to and that is a tough decision at times as to what exactly we do.

@alloutoffucks why do you talk such rubbish then?