Are you going to send your kids back in when they reopen?

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Wondering if people will send them back.
As they think only 4-10% of population might have had it. And this peak was only 4w of school.
Im not shielding but isolating as much as possible because im
asthmatic.

I hope they say attendance isnt mandatory so people who need to/want to or are still WFH can keep them home if needed.

@thisenglishlife The average death from flu annually is 8,000. 17,000 is when the vaccine had failed and was seen as public health disaster. LOts of articles were written at the time.
We have way over 10,000 deaths from corona WHILE BEING IN LOCK DOWN.
We would have had way more deaths without lock down.
Remember the only deaths being counted are hospital ones. None in care homes, none in the community, no one who is terminally ill and on HNS end of life pathway.

I get so fed up of the same lies posted again and again on MN, sometimes by the same people.
And the same catastrophising.

Yes of course, mine will go back as soon as schools re-open and I'm praying that is before September. School closures were not put in place to protect children who have a minuscule change of dying from CV or suffering anything more than mild to moderate symptoms. It was about protecting vulnerable members of society (who tactile children can easily pass the virus onto) and lessening the impact on the NHS.

My DC will not be vaccinated against CV and neither will I - I'm fairly sure we've all had it anyway - so the existence or not of a vaccine makes no difference to me.

allout don't you get it? The rich get richer in a recession / depression.

Its the working class who feel the impact most.

I don't care what Boris wants. I do want to be able to work and support my family.

That's what has been drummed into me from a very young age.

I also grew up in the 80's. We felt the full force of Maggie. It was not good. I was far removed from the South East.

This is not comparable. If you want to compare it, then perhaps look at the Great Depression.

@Eastie77 fuck the school staff then yeah.....

@alloutoffucks do you really still think this is catastrophising? Jesus Christ. Read the threads from doctors and nurses.

People that keep spouting bollocks about 17,000 flu deaths a year. We have had 10,000 deaths in a couple of months and that was with a lockdown. It doesn’t even compare don’t try and delude your pathetic selves.

Anyone who thinks any recession will be like the Great Depression has read little history.
Any decent government will work with other governments to boost the economies after this is over. Have you read about the economic plans governments devised and enacted after the second world war? They worked. Sure the economy will take ages to recover without a competent government.
And we have been in lock down for 3 weeks, that is all. Loads of things close down for 2 weeks over xmas without financial ruin.

@Davincitoad Agreed. And if we actually had deaths in the community and care homes reported we would have had way more than 10,000 deaths.

@alloutoffucks I think you are so afraid of coming out of lockdown it’s clouding your judgement

There hasn’t been anything like this in history, when has the whole of Europe been in lockdown?

There have been lock downs before for other viruses.
And the insults always start when you point out that what people are saying is simply not true, or post evidence then can not argue against.
We had it yesterday when I posted lots of evidence that showed what you were saying was untrue. Lots of insults then too.

No-one wants death. It needs to be managed in a way to minimise economic damage whilst saving lives.

But you can't simply write off the economy. I wish we could.

I can't understand what people fail to grasp about that.

The lockdown has saved lives and was needed. This is not comparable to flu. No-one is shouting for lockdown to be lifted too soon and no-one is saying it will be lifted and everything will go back to normal. A lot of people need to be protected long-term. But surely we need money to be able to do that?

And this is not comparable to 2 week closure over Christmas.

That is the most ridiculous comparison I have seen on here.

Ds is still attending school (part time)

I’m at risk because of work that puts him more at risk that puts those he is at school with more at risk. And the other children attending are in our position

With a few attending they can manage (they do struggle) social distancing but even a 1/4 of pupils it would be I think impossible

And the whole of Europe is not in lock down, some of Europe is in lock down.

The majority of Europe is in lockdown.

@alloutoffucks we haven’t had anything on this scale before. It’s your arrogance that you think you are right and everyone should agree with you, we don’t and some of your posts make no sense. We will have to agree to disagree.

Loads of things close down for 2 weeks over xmas without financial ruin

The vast majority of things close for 3 days over Christmas. Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Years Day.

Plus it’s not going to be 3 weeks, is it? Unless you think lockdown is lifting tonight?

@Random18 And no one is saying the economy does not matter. But I am very aware that Boris and Cummings put the economy first well before lives and will continue to do so if they can.
Even now we do not only have real key workers working. There are still builders building luxury flats for example. And people in warehouses packing and sending out lots of non essential goods. It is about making money for the rich.
And more than half the people I know are still working either in the workplace or at home. It is certain sectors so far that have been majorly affected. A lot of businesses are still going and people are still working.
Where I work we have all been furloughed because we do lab work, and that can't be done from home, and is not key work. We are not a medical company. And we have donated all of our PPE to the NHS, so have none to use anyway.

*No-one wants death. It needs to be managed in a way to minimise economic damage whilst saving lives.

But you can't simply write off the economy. I wish we could.*
This and they'll be worse problems if we are in lockdown for six months.

Its not about economy vs lives though is it. Its the balance between how long we can lockdown without the potential for lives lost outside of COVID 19 vs lives lost with COVID 19.

One huge issue with this pandemic is that it had become such a massive bogeyman that we see it just as lives lost from COVID 19, now in this initial suppression that is the correct approach but at some point this will start to cause more disruption and potential for lives lost than continuing. The trick/issue is going to be picking the right time to minimise the numbers

The best way out assuming immunity is antibody testing.
Then at least those kids and adults can go back.
There may be 1m people who can return to work.
I think then more shops should open for click and collect (car park) or delivery.
Then allowing families with young kids to meet up voluntarily at parks etc. So that by sept those that wanted to be infected can be. Without children with health issues and their parents being forced to send them into school. Or even reopen playground equipment (though there could be more broken bones).

If we used masks they might even have been able to open zoos etc.

The issue is i think vulnerable parents cannot isolate away from their kids. It just goes right round a family as you are in such close contact.
Also the virus is shed for much longer than 7days.
Aside from the fact most kids do not have 48h off after d&v. Many will become symptomatic at school /not mention a sore throat or have no symptoms at all. Many dont wipe well and this can be spread fecal oral too.

I hope the schools do go back after half term, I'm a teacher and miss my class.

For those parents that are deciding to keep their children off school, if they do open sooner rather than later, will you still be expecting the school to be providing home learning. If all the teachers are back at work teaching the children who have gone back, allowing them to catch up on some of the missed learning, there won't be any teachers to record lessons, set work for home etc.

Many parents on here are concerned about their children getting behind on work however the gap will widen if you don't send your children back when schools reopen.

Its not about economy vs lives though is it. Its the balance between how long we can lockdown without the potential for lives lost outside of COVID 19 vs lives lost with COVID 19

Unfortunately, MN has made it into this. If you dare suggest schools might go back before the summer holidays you get screamed at and accused of wanting teachers to die. Ive also seen people screeching that they wont send their kids back until next year, "because they want them to live"- as if anyone who doesnt do that, clearly doesnt give a crap about their kids or their teachers!

My point was- most of us cannot afford to stay locked in at home with our kids until next year. I know that I cannot afford to do that. I have to go to work to survive. My motivation is purely the preservation of my life and that of my family's lives. Mortgage companies are only offering a three month mortgage relief break. If I still have no income after three months then I will lose my house. Thats the bottom line for me. We will be homeless. So, my going back to work doesnt make me "selfish" or "not caring if teachers die"- its self preservation which is what ALL of us do whether you want to admit it or not.

Then, of course, there are the wider, societal consequences of locking down until next year which noone seems to want to acknowledge when they suggest we all lockdown for months and months. That is- there will be no benefit system if noone is allowed to work because there will be no taxes and nothing to fund benefits, disability allowances, unemployment or pensions!