Are you going to send your kids back in when they reopen?

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Wondering if people will send them back.
As they think only 4-10% of population might have had it. And this peak was only 4w of school.
Im not shielding but isolating as much as possible because im
asthmatic.

I hope they say attendance isnt mandatory so people who need to/want to or are still WFH can keep them home if needed.

Yes definitely. None of us are vulnerable so I will take my chances.

Have I missed an announcement about schools?

No just a terrible study that the media gave attention to, to play on people's emotions.

@bool So you still believe in the discretited herd immunity theory?

@Random18 What about if they are in the vulnerable group? Like a lot of those who have died with underlying conditions.

It's interesting that we understand NPI in reducing (not eliminating) the risk of something like RTA (not breaking the speed limit, reduced speed limits near schools, not driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, seat belts, car seats, booster seats etc) but don't understand the role of NPI in reducing the risk of CV.

This country is cherry picking risk rates based on evidence and best practice of other countries that chose to use NPI but is choosing not to implement NPI (community easy to access, fast and accurate testing, contact tracing, mask wearing etc) and asserting that the risk rate will be the same due to an imagined immutable intrinsic risk rate of the virus.

@alloutoffucks for somebody who claims they are a scientist it is really odd you don’t understand that herd immunity is something that will simply happen whether you like it or not. Either through a vaccination programme or natural immunity. It is not a theory or a strategy. It is simply what will happen when a novel virus is released.

allout ????

I said high risk should get special treatment- is that not vulnerable people.

Although some with high risk are not classed as vulnerable and are still going to work. DH is still working and has an underlying health condition that would make him higher risk.

@Random18 There are two groups. The shielded group and vulnerable group. I thought you were just referring to the shielded group. If you meant both groups that is clear.
Then schools will not reopen for all kids until it is safe for vulnerable teachers to return. There just won't be enough teachers who are not vulnerable.

Thanks Nellodee I think it’s the first time I’ve felt accused but maybe I’ve blanked it out

All no problem

On scientific info I’m not claiming to be a great reader but I go on the graph thread and find it an excellent resource. There’s a variety of sources but as time passes I find the ms media pretty redundant as they are creating news in a vacuum (no govt announcements lately), the WHO should be questioned and the U.K. govt has many pressures and has made some mistakes plus good decisions in a difficult position. So my straight answer to what do I inform my thinking with is - graph thread, and R4 too for news reports. People can dismiss it all of course and find their own sources.

@bool I did not claim to be a scientist. I have said I work in a scientific company and do a bit of lab work.
Herd immunity is a theory relating to vaccination. What you are talking about is letting everyone get infected and see who is alive at the end. We do not yet know if those left alive will have any immunity to future possible mutations of the virus. They may be partially immune, or they may not. There is currently little evidence either way although some initial research papers supporting both scenarios.

For herd immunity we just don't know.

From another thread thanks BCF

Very worrying news from SKorea:

That's not merely people testing negative then positive

That's 111 people who definitely had CV and recovered

... then either caught it again because they had no immunity
... or their CV just went dormant for a while, then flared up again

allout that may be the case.

I knew my DC school managed to stay open right until the end.

It was challenging and they did have to join some classes as staff were self isolating but they still managed, and they still learned.

The staff actually did an amazing job. They managed to do so much in the last few weeks. And are working hard to improve at home learning.

@Fruitsaladjelly you all got tested? Or you think you had it?

@marshabradyo I have also enjoyed your posts too. Well balanced

@alloutoffucks no you are wrong. Herd immunity is antibodies either through vaccination or through natural immunity. And yes we should all be praying that once caught we gain at least some immunity and that it doesn’t mutate fast. Because if we don’t and if it does then we are all screwed. Because even a vaccine won’t work long term.

And nobody is saying that they want herd immunity! It is just what happens when a novel virus runs riot.

Herd immunity is a term that relates to vaccination. It does not apply to getting ill.

Yes, of course.

@bool What evidence is there that once people are infected they are then immune? And the virus has already mutated once.
And WHO called the UK plan for herd immunity immoral because lots of people would needlessly die.

And it’s exactly why I have been shit scared about this virus since I saw extra hospitals being built in Wuhan. And prepping back in early Feb. I have never ever said this was not serious. My poor family saw me saying how dangerous this was a long time ago and low and behold here it is.

*lo

Influenza mutates, so we have an annual vaccination programme.

@alloutoffucks there is no fucking evidence for immunity other than behaviour of other coronaviruses!!! It’s why we should all be praying that immunity happens. Because if not we are screwed until a vaccine happens. And even then the likelihood of a vaccine ever working would be low if we don’t create immunity.

No @alloutoffucks herd immunity is about being immune. Either through antibodies we create when given a vaccine (some vaccines are simply weak forms of the virus) or through catching it and creating our own antibodies

all I always wonder why I never get flu. And why I never really have any illnesses.

I do accept i have got a shirt hot immune system. The only time I was slightly more susceptible to bugs was when DD started nursery. Only lasted a couple of months though and never reoccurred with DS.

I suspect I've just built up natural immunity against things. Its not necessarily the case I am not exposed - just that I can deal with it.

Obviously CV is new and I don't know how my immune system will respond but I would hope that any antibodies generated would help me deal with it in future too.

I can't even see how they could vaccinate us all every year