Would you rather be here or in Sweden?

[Forgetaboutme]

There's been a lot of talk about the way Sweden are handling the coronavirus situation. Schools still open, bars n clubs plus shops still open. The vulnerable being shielded and the rest social distancing or working from home where possible.

Would you rather be here on lockdown? Or in Sweden?

Do you feel safer on lockdown or if you lived somewhere like Sweden would you have been happy to live how they are at the moment?

Just bored here and wondering what people thought.

South Korea, maybe.

www.government.nl/documents/speeches/2020/03/16/television-address-by-prime-minister-mark-rutte-of-the-netherlands

Here's an explanation about the Dutch approach.

I think Sweden has it right. If you are vulnerable stay in. If you aren’t; crack on and don’t let the economy go down the swanny. I’m convinced the fall out from this virus will kill many, many more in the long term from indirect effects

Thats round about where I am at too.

I don't really understand why governments seem to think its possible to have this lockdown until vaccine is available..when it could take years..and might not ever even happen. Can the country really afford to pay everyones wages long term?! Yeah, this measure saves lives right now, but a really shitty economy will kill way more..plus most experts agree that we have another few waves of this coming anyway, so letting us out..would just start all over again. We are isolating now,, maybe be out by winter, but another wave expected in winter, while hospitals are already overwhelmed with 'normal' flu patients..not good.

Also lockdown ending..all it takes it ONE person with the virus, and its back to square one come a few weeks time when numbers are back up high!

The way I see it is..lockdown now is just kicking the can down the road a bit. We are still going to have to get it, or do something besides stay in our homes realistically.

The idea of letting those 20-30 out is interesting. I see they predict 600 deaths from that though, but how? Normal stats are saying it barely affects younger people as long as they are healthy, so I don't really see how the death toll would be that high with the youngsters out working? Unless its..they will pass it on to others still I guess..

Right now, Sweden because I don't think the vaccine will be available for a very long time - we need to accept that we need to live with this disease as hard as it is

Here without a doubt

@HoffiCoffi13 you are allowed to see anyone who doesn't live with you but the rules are: maximum three people can visit you at any given time and you must maintain 1,5 distance. So yes, we can see family and friends if we want to.

The stats suggest that 17% of Swedes have had Covid 19 - only 4% in the uk - they are well on the way to herd immunity

imperialcollegelondon.github.io/covid19estimates/?fbclid=IwAR0lEMXDJhkiTAl__xQDzgdcDvwSVYICmBvGPrwgr1QlaL8kQUImKLtoh5M#/totalinfected

The Germans are pushing to follow Sweden and go for herd immunity. I do apologise for always bringing this back to Germany but due to work I read a lot more German news than I do UK.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/11/german-scientist-predicted-european-epidemic-calls-end-lockdown/

That sounds good lonelySam

The stats suggest that 17% of Swedes have had Covid 19 - only 4% in the uk - they are well on the way to herd immunity

If that’s true then we can expect deaths to rocket over the coming month! Deaths lag infection by about a month....

Sweden.. much better quality of life in general.

17% is not the current rate of infection but the number who have had it since the beginning of the pandemic

17%! Are they testing?

Herd immunity is the ONLY way out of the virus, either accompanied by a vaccine (preferably) or without one. That is a scientific fact. The only political choices to be made by any country are how to get to that point. And to be honest, the choices made so far by most western countries are that much different.

I'd rather be in Sweden, no doubt. I think history will judge lockdown as a panic, knee jerk reaction that in the long run will cause far more suffering than the virus.

Cheri “ I think history will judge lockdown as a panic, knee jerk reaction that in the long run will cause far more suffering than the virus.”

Agree. Also, how will things work in autumn when people get regular colds and coughs etc? Will their workplaces send them home? There are MNers having kittens in case a hay fever sneeze can spread it.

The damage from the hysteria will go on for years.

The problem with just letting the epidemic rip - in the UK - is whether people would continue to go to work, send their kids to school,
if thousands were dying per day, even if they were told it would just be a couple of months

No health service could cope, so even young people would be dying in droves or suffering longterm lung damage:
young people survive hospital treatment and being ventilated far far better than the old - but they do need that treatment too

Probably most people would stay home anyway with that carnage going on,
but it would be disorganised
and the economy would suffer badly

The 2018-2019 flu study in the USA showed that the cities that locked down earlier actually did better economically than the ones that soldiered through

Sweden is suffering far more deaths than other Scandinavian countries

• but it still may be an "acceptable number" Different population density, different health system, different cultural habits

Or they may also lockdown if they decide the numbers are getting out of control

The damage from the hysteria will go on for years

Nearly a thousand people, including young and healthy, dying each day, but lockdown is 'hysteria'?

The John Hopkins link Lifeisabeach linked actually shows the UK to be 7th. The webpage doesn’t open at the top of the page.

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UK to be 7th

I'll be very surprised if the UK stays 7th, given the higher daily numbers seen than the other countries, plus we are not yet at the peak.

Plus it's pointless putting UK anywhere in terms of cases as we aren't testing unless patients are critically ill.

Snowy and cold and too many unsolved murders for me.

The 2018-2019 flu study in the USA showed that the cities that locked down earlier actually did better economically than the ones that soldiered through

That may not be cause-effect though; the cities that were able to lock down probably had a much better economic position to start with. Just like the Western world, which can afford a (short) lockdown and get benefit from it, whereas in poorer countries a lockdown is utter shambles and causes more deaths from people migrating home or starving.

@Henny

Ha! And detectives with serious mental health problems/childhood trauma.

They are really trying to rewrite the narrative of the 70s

I studied this recently

www.loveinsweden.kokovoko.se