Release young adults from lockdown first

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I think it a good idea - there's been a paper by the University of Warwick.
It's hardest for them and their risk is low.
I'd happily stay in lockdown longer for my children of that age to be "set free"

lol @squashyhat perfectly put!

I’m 24, so mid 20s, absolutely not. It’s hard whatever age you are, we’ve got to be sensible, same rules for all

nobodies lifestyle is more worthy than others if anything children need to get back to routine as quickly is possible they understand less.

You are missing the point that the young generation are the ones who will contribute from this point onwards the most economically. It is not about their lives being of greater meaning or value. Everyone knows the adage youth is wasted on the young because when it comes to the concept of value, the wisdom of age is priceless by comparison.

It is about the economics of it. A caluclation of expendable energy. Also, lets be honest, we know it is the forthcoming generations who will be paying for the last economic downturn caused by those older than they, who should have known and given a damn better, and gen xyz will be starting their working lives with thousands of pounds worth of debt, for whom home ownership is a struggle if not a dream.

In view of this is it fair they get the 'privilege' of exiting lockdown first, seeing as they will be paying for this too?

If I'm not being objective I'd say hell yes.

20/30 covers my dc, I would not like them to be sacrificed for older people.
This age group are dying, you know, they aren't immune.

I seriously can't understand how the practicality of it would work. Would you have to walk around with your birth certificate. Do you just open up your office and sit in it all day, if you own a restaurant and all your staff are over 30 do you just sit by and watch your competitors restart their business, does everyone under 30 get to go to the pub pour their own drinks and leave the money in the till????

No age group is immune but on the whole they are less affected.

Stop thinking you can wait out, beat or dodge the virus.

Herd immunity in some form either through exposure of the least at risk groups or a proven (and that is the important word) vaccine is the only thing we can do.

We only paid off our WWII debts in 2006- we've all been paying for something all our lives.

How hard would that be to police? Mature looking 17 year old, fresh faced 31 year old. Are the police going to have to stop everyone and check. Laws that aren't enforceable are a little bit useless don't you think?

No. Fuck off. Lockdown should be reduced gradually but to link it to age group is ridiculous.

So it's not the case that some populations are more affected than others then squashyhat?

They're all equally vulnerable?

Tbh I do think it's harder on them. I have a DS who has t seen his long term gf for a month, and know a few in that position
Aww bless. I am sure as adults they are capable of staying in touch and understand why they cant see each other in person and that this wont last forever. They wont die of frustration!

I listened to a lady on the radio yesterday. Her husband is in a care home, has mild dementia but still doesnt understand why she isnt visiting him every day as normal. They talk on the phone/video call and he always asks when she is coming to see him and that x manages to come every day so she should make more effort. X is one of his carers.

The home have set up differing methods of contact but she is heartbroken every time he calls. They are an older couple but only married 3 years. She is terrified he will get another bout of the illness he had before he went into the care home which hospitalised him and she will never see him alive again.
Now thats really hard to live with day in day out. Not seeing your gf up close and very personal is hardly the end of the world for a few weeks. Many people do that due to jobs in normal times.

Weren#t you young and in love once
Oh give me a break! Thousands of people are in love with thier partners and still manage to not be together for long periods of time without spontaneously combusting and it doesnt give them special privileges!

Catherine Age is just one of the risks. The poor of all ages are more vulnerable. More likely to be living in cities where cases are widespread. More likely to live in poor quality high density housing. Poverty is a major cause of poor health. We have increasing rates of diabetes type two at a younger age and obesity in younger people in deprived areas. These conditions put them at high risk, however young, from Covid.

A lot of us that age have kids. I'm 29 and DS is almost 7. So they would have to let our kids out with us as well.

The actual article is an interesting one. The researchers seem to think that young people who live alone are more likely to become restless and abusive and break the rules, so why not let them out and let them do the jobs like lorry-driving that we need, while the usual job owners all fall sick with COVID.

Its sort of painted as a nice transition utopia where the young people inherit the earth.

It seems a bit naive though. They're not all instantly trainable, and if they were the type to create trouble why would they instantly be good citizens?

Also why would older people be happy at gangs of large roaming young people being allowed to party, sunbathe, and try to get back to normal etc when we're barely allowed to go to the shops?

They've got a point that lockdown has to end sometime though. I just don't think the staggered approach would work.

Maybe a "if you're bored and accept the risks, then come and volunteer for national service" thing is the way forward, no matter how old you are.

Do 20-30 only mix with people of the same age bracket?

Seems a daft idea to me.

Willoe thanks for the selective quoting, as bad as esjee

Lol I wouldn't have trusted a 20 year old me with an articulated lorry!

Where would they go? What workplaces could safely and effectively reopen with only20% of the workforce to staff them, and make enough money to pay wages and overheads with only 15% of the customer base allowed out? (Approximate figures)
And is this the age group most crucial to allowing the country to start functioning again? Or would older more experienced workers be more valuable (in some cases)

It needs to be all or nothing

That's pointless, my young adults have nothing to do until university goes back in September whereas I have a job, need to run a household etc. Personally I would like to see those under 70 without underlying health problems be allowed to make their own decisions if nobody in their household is vulnerable - the vaccine is a year or more away so we need us younger ones to provide herd immunity, it's a personal choice, a few will get sick and unfortunately die, but we can make our own judgement on whether we wish to take that path (ps think I've already had it so perhaps that is colouring my judgement)

Although reading on yes I suppose employment and housing worries could be worse for early 20s if they're in an unstable position what housing are worse if you're in your 20s?

I think its a practical and pragmatic idea. We have to ease out of lock down eventually. but what will they do? How many are senior enough to run their employment,, open bars, restaurants, shops etc? Would there be enough people to safely staff then? Or do we kick anyone over 50 out of any untrained jobs ie supermarkets and do compulsory labour for furloughed and unemployed 20 somethings?

Loads of people think they have it and don't - only 60k of 232k tested in the UK have been found to have coronavirus, and they were the ones bad enough to be tested. So I wouldn't want everyone who thinks they've had it to assume they're safe!

This is Israel’s plan (compared to the alternative of herd immunity) for return to work by increasing age groups and geographic red/green zones.
Interesting. www.google.it/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/.premium-israeli-academics-propose-to-kick-off-return-to-work-now-divided-by-risk-rating-1.8750543

These conditions put them at high risk, however young, from Covid.

It is not about being at risk. Its not about poverty putting all populations at risk. It is about who overall is at least risk of suffering badly from covid and more likely to recover and provide the herd immunity we need to get the country up and running again.

It makes sense to release the least overall vulnerable group first - not with standing that some as statistical outliers with die- and let them gain immunity.

Then gradually allow others to be eased in.

I do agree with okiedokieme that most people should just be allowed to use their own discretion, but lets not forget we have to keep nhs capacity in mind.

I thought the testing kits were pretty unreliable and had been found to give false negatives?