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School closure limited impact!

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FreakStar · 08/04/2020 12:13

www.standard.co.uk/news/health/school-closures-coronavirus-limited-impact-a4408741.html

How can this be true?

It does seem children in general have limited symptoms of coronavirus, but surely they are still major spreaders of the disease.

What would be the point of keeping restaurants, playgrounds, pubs closed and asking people to work from home if their children are going to school?

If children are going to school in the day then I can't see the point of them not socialising outside of school.

How on earth can social distancing be maintained in a school? - I'm working in school with children of Key workers, and with only 9 children in school it was difficult enough to get them to stay away from each other!

Children being at home is forcing lots to work from home- as soon as schools go back you can guarantee that many people will go back to work too.

I don't believe that opening schools before ending other social distancing measures is a good idea! I think schools should be one of the last places to return to normal!

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Appuskidu · 08/04/2020 15:50

Do we know that people with milder symptoms transmit the virus less effectively?

rc22 · 08/04/2020 18:19

We had kids washing their hands regularly before we closed. They were shown a video each morning demonstrating how to do this properly. We would get through the hand washing and would look at my class to see a good number of children picking their noses, sucking their thumbs, biting their nails etc and that was with constant reminders not to touch faces. Kids and virus/infection control.....crap combination!!

PoptartPoptart · 08/04/2020 19:18

Surely most children go: home>school>home
Yes, but if they catch it at school (even if they are asymptomatic) they will then infect the adults at home.
Then if the adults go back to work while the kids are back at school....
Office workers go:
home>coffee shop>office>out for something for lunch>meeting (maybe out)> office>home

So there is the problem!

refraction · 08/04/2020 21:48

I saw this response today. Could write similar for Secondary.

For those who think that schools should reopen for all students.

Dear Lancet Scientists

You have recently been quoted as saying
”Data on the benefit of school closures in the Coronavirus is limited, but what we know shows that their impact is likely to be only small.”

Far be it for me, to question the work of scientists studying the Coronavirus but I find it difficult to believe that the bringing together of the offspring, of 30 different families, into one room approximately 50-60 square metres in size, would not impact on the spread of the virus? The reasons being;

Have you ever been in a Primary School classroom?
Of course you have!

But was it this century? Or for more than, the ten minutes you spent at a parent teacher meeting.

Teachers deal in snot, blood, sweat, tears and other unmentionables on a daily basis and without the protective clothing and equipment currently recommended (but not being provided) for care workers and the NHS.
I doubt very much in your line of work you have ever been required to utter sentences like;

“Please don’t lick George’s face. He doesn’t like it!”

or

“Glue sticks are not food!”

or my all time Winter favourite,

”Your jumper is not a hanky!”

I’m pretty sure you will not be required to extract a colleague from their trouser leg because they have forgotten to take their shoes off whilst changing for PE and are now trapped and hopping around your room crashing into the furniture. (Perhaps this was how Joe Wicks really broke his wrist) Nor will you have to manipulate a coat over their head without undoing the zip because it is jammed. Try dealing with these scenarios whilst social distancing.
I also doubt very much your work colleagues ask you to tie their shoe laces for them every time they want to go outside either, and neither will they try to hug you, then sneeze over you whilst you are trying to analyse your scientific data!

As for your suggestions for how returning to school may look, well perhaps you are gazing back into a dim and distant past, hazed in the rosy glow of the glasses you are peering through! This must be a time before the expectations of active learning, positive behaviour management, inclusion and the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child existed.
Perhaps you can offer a social distancing solution to the problem of catching Jimmy, the Primary 1 with additional support needs, who is a veritable escapologist and needs to be permanently attached to a member of support staff. Where upon may I also suggest to you, that banning playtimes is in contradiction of article 31 of The United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child: The Right to Play’. Which by the way, any good educator will tell you, is exactly what children need to be doing right now and that play outside in particular, is more important than ever, and probably a lot safer than being inside a classroom coughing and spluttering.
This is all an aside from the reality, that asking a bunch of 7 year olds to social distance when they haven’t seen each other for several weeks, is like letting loose a flock of seagulls near a half eaten bag of chips and expecting them not to touch it!

Dear Mr Scientist I am not suggesting that your findings are wrong but as you point out, data regarding this subject is limited and surely common sense must play a part. Whilst teachers will try to implement the impossible task of maintaining the social distancing of their pupils, they will not be able to do the same with the gathering throng that drop off and collect their children at the beginning and end of the school day.
Before we do reopen our schools I ask that you please consult with the experts on how it should be done ie. the teachers. They will be able to tell you what is realistic and practicable before you impose upon them yet another set of government guidelines (all be it of a different sort) that are impossible to achieve!
I also find the timing of your article very interesting, two and a half weeks after home schooling started...

Your faithfully, The Emotional Freckle

Cremebrule · 08/04/2020 22:04

Nurseries would be even worse in terms of germy kids albeit there tend to be smaller numbers of children. I have been infected with so many things from my lot. Nurseries and I imagine reception class rooms are just a cesspit of Illness and kids licking each other, wiping their snot on their clothes, not wiping or washing their hands properly. They then all go to clubs and mix with other equally disgusting children from other schools. I just can’t see how the modelling predicts such a low impact.

On a more positive note, I’m really hoping the school closures will kill off all the bloody headlice.

Appuskidu · 08/04/2020 22:05

Head lice and worms!

Arissa · 09/04/2020 01:58

If you read the actual Lancet article
you can see the interpretation of the assumptions, contrasts and modelling the scientists have based the research on, (which is questionable in the first place) and it becomes clear that the newspaper has mis-interpreted the research. For a sound bite, or in error? Either way they are playing with peoples hopes and fears. Not great Journalism.

DBML · 09/04/2020 02:16

It’s very logical reading...followed by appalling journalism.

DioneTheDiabolist · 09/04/2020 02:27

But I just meant children who are infected do not have as severe symptoms and so it wouldnt be transmitted as easily as putting 30 infected adults together.

Just because they suffer less, doesnt mean they spread less. On the contrary they become perfect little super spreaders.Shock

excitedmumtobe87 · 09/04/2020 02:40

Children go home school home, then their parents go work train supermarket home.

excitedmumtobe87 · 09/04/2020 02:41

Millions are still working

Admin, call centre, finance. A lot of people who could be home are not home

excitedmumtobe87 · 09/04/2020 02:42

Because of their bosses wanting business as usual not the workers mostly

Randomschoolworker19 · 09/04/2020 02:52

As someone who is still working in a school for children of key workers i.e. it makes no difference to me whether schools are open or not, I can quite safely say that opening up schools again at this moment in time would be a disaster. In fact... any time in the nearby future would be disastrous.

Schools are breeding grounds for germs and illnesses. Kids have no concept of hygiene or personal boundaries. They cough and sneeze without covering their mouths, drink from cups other children have been drinking from, pick their noses, stick their hands down their pants and then want to hold hands or hug you, and even wet or soil themselves on occasion.

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