Dog owners very irresponsible letting them of leafs on walks knowing they too can spread covid19?

[mumieone]

Today on my permitted walk in semi rural area two men having a day on the beach just let thier dog run wild with no consideration for social distancing.

With reports on dogs, cats and the latest tiger having symptoms and testing positive for covid19 should dig owners be allowed to let thier dogs just jump on passers by?

I saw the dog coming and moved about 4 metres away from the men. One just lit up a fab and did nothing and the other watched.

When I moved the dig chased me as I ran to try to climb up a hill. I threw stones near it to try to deter but didn't work and owner eventually took him and said he was being friendly. More like dangerous. I said look we are all trying to social distance and who knows if your dog has covid19 and some of us are trying to keep ourselves and others safe and social distance!

Shouldnt dog owners be more careful?

Accurate representation of the vast majority of dogs and owners, there, @Flax.

Not even worth arguing with.

@Flaxmeadow
Considering the vast majority of dog bites occur in the home, please explain how leashing dogs in public would prevent this?

Also please link to some evidence that dogs can pass this virus on

Thanks

Oh! Just seen your second post.

Also not worth arguing with.

some evidence that dogs can pass this virus on

The virus can survive on surfaces, obviously. This includes, skin and fur. Also some viruses, can be passed on directly from dogs to humans by saliva, blood and faeces

We don't know enough about this new coronavirus to definitely say, with 100% certainty, that dogs cannot pass it on. Would it not be sensible to err on the side of caution ATM? And keep dogs on leads. Or is that asking too much?

Bring back the 37p dog license I say. That’ll sort the savage dogs out 🥴

But that's not the same as some evidence is it? It's an assumption. It may well be a correct assumption, but an assumption is not evidence and you said there was evidence.

I'd still also like to know how leashing dogs in public will prevent the majority of dog bites occurring

Unless there was a tiger, spitting at anyone within a 10 meter radius, riding on the dog's back at the time, I think you can just move on from this...

That's not a link. When someone asks for a link, it's because they don't trust your opinion. Giving your opinion again is somewhat missing the point.

It can survive on surfaces. Like envelopes. Like items in the supermarket that have been handled by other people. Like door handles and light switches in public spaces. The virus isn't going to die. We are not going to obliterate the risk. Minimal risks as detailed above are perfectly acceptable and do not need to be removed in order to flatten the curve and stop the NHS getting overwhelmed.

You are being over cautious. Idiots with dogs need to stop being idiots. Dogs do not need to stop being dogs.

There has been no incidence of dog to human transmission. You are scared of the wrong thing.

Dogs who don’t have good recall shouldn’t be off lead - period. I started a thread about this same subject last week. On a quiet walking route two seperate sets of dog owners let their dogs jump up at myself and my dc’s - laughing merrily the whole time (them not us!) then looked shocked when I told them to call them away. Stupid fuckers.

But that's not the same as some evidence is it? It's an assumption

That the virus can survive on surfaces, some surfaces for days, is not an assumption, its a scientific fact

I'd still also like to know how leashing dogs in public will prevent the majority of dog bites occurring

What percentage of dog bites are you talking about? Is it more acceptable for you for a dog to savage someone Indoors rather than outdoors?

That dogs, according to you, are more likely to bite someone indoors says a lot about how cruel keeping a dog as a pet is.

Almost 10,000 dog attacks requiring hospital admission a year in the UK. Tell me, what is an acceptable annual number to you?

That dogs, according to you, are more likely to bite someone indoors says a lot about how cruel keeping a dog as a pet is

No it doesn't. Most arguments happen between family members. It doesn't mean it's cruel to be a family.

Lots of your points are pure conjecture, and completely unfounded.

Dogs do not need to stop being dogs.

Be dogs?

Dogs have been inbred for thousands of years. To work, to hunt, to race, to catch rats, to fight.

Sadly this has resulted in what we now see today. What we call 'pets'. Dogs that...

Suffer limb, spine and head deformities
Face deformities, in some cases to the point of not being able to breathe properly
Deafness or poor eyesight
An uncontrollable urge to binge on food to the point of vomiting
Confused behaviour that has to be 'trained' out of them.
Repeated barking
Aggression

It's sad really what inbreeding had done

It is, I agree. You seem to keep latching onto facts for tiny percentages, though, and applying them to the whole. The vast majority of dogs and owners are in a healthy, happy situation. Yes, there are some issues with inbreeding. Yes, there are irresponsible owners. Yes, there are occasional viscous dogs.

But there are violent, irresponsible (and occasionally inbred) parents, too. Are you going to say people shouldn't be allowed to have children anymore? Or accept that there's black sheep in every mostly healthy, respectful group?

@Flaxmeadow
That the virus can survive on surfaces, some surfaces for days, is not an assumption, its a scientific fact

Yes that's true . But why on Earth would you assume that laboratory studies showing virus survival on clean surfaces (copper, steel, cardboard) in controlled temperatures and humidities are evidence that the virus will survive on a dog's coat outside under UV light and wind in quantities that will cause infection? The two situations are entirely different and one is not 'evidence' of another There is no evidence of dogs transmitting coronavirus and to say there is is untrue scaremongering.

It's the same thing with dog bites. Leashing dogs will not reduce dog bites because the vast majority of dog bites occur in the home or in the homes of friends/family (approx 80%).

So yes because I do actually care about dogs and humans I'd rather make effective evidence-based arguments that we know will reduce dog bites that spout irrelevant opinions online like yours. Because I actually do think that dog bites should be reduced, so I prefer to expend my energy in ways of actually achieving that rather than unrelated 'advice' like all dogs should be leashed.

Dog bites are complex and linked with owner and victim characteristics including victim neuroticism and owner socio-economic status, as well as training and exercise. Interestingly poorly exercised dogs are more likely to be aggressive

So turning your own question back on you - if you actually want to prevent dog bites or coronavirus transmission, why don't you educate yourself and make some evidence- based recommendations rather than latching onto random assumptions that fit with your anti-dog bias and don't actually help anyone?

The more Flax posts the more I think s/he needs a trip to the groomers

It's sad really what inbreeding had done

It is very sad what inbreeding has done to animals and humans. What’s your point? The points you have raised regarding dogs don’t pertain to my dog at all.

However, there are very many unsavoury traits regarding inbred humans in my village alone. There are many more on MN

Interestingly poorly exercised dogs are more likely to be aggressive

BRILLIANT!

And dog bite numbers are just under 8,000 per year, but what's an extra 25% between friends eh Flaxmeadow?

It does appear that facts really aren't your strong suit.

It is, I agree. You seem to keep latching onto facts for tiny percentages, though, and applying them to the whole

All 'domesticated' (an oxymoron if ever there was one) dogs are inbred.

The vast majority of dogs and owners are in a healthy, happy situation.

But then why are there so many reported problems with them. Why are there so many topics on how to 'train' a dog.
Eating shoes, furniture
Incessant barking
Vomiting
Hygiene
Diseases
Biting, often downplayed by the term 'a nip'

Yes, there are some issues with inbreeding. Yes, there are irresponsible owners. Yes, there are occasional viscous dogs.

I'll say. So why arent dog 'owners' lobbying for tightr controls on
Who can keep a dog
Licensing
Banning certain breeds

But there are violent, irresponsible (and occasionally inbred) parents, too. Are you going to say people shouldn't be allowed to have children anymore? Or accept that there's black sheep in every mostly healthy, respectful group?

Children are not dogs and dogs are not children

This is another thing. The idea that dogs have human characteristics. Which is of course nonsense. This is pushed by the pet food etc industry as well, worth billions. More cruelty and confusion for the unfortunate creature

Just tonight my DH took our dog for a walk on the lead. A big dog bounded over, off the lead and started attacking our dog. The woman had no control over the dog at all and her and my DH had to get quite close to the woman to separate her dog from ours.

Why don't people think!

It is, I agree. You seem to keep latching onto facts for tiny percentages, though, and applying them to the whole

All 'domesticated' (an oxymoron if ever there was one) dogs are inbred.

Case in point I think 😂

• I'll say. So why arent dog 'owners' lobbying for tightr controls on Who can keep a dog Licensing Banning certain breeds *

Because there's no evidence any of those things actually work to reduce bites so why would they extend money and energy in futile activities?

You keep suggesting futile and pointless 'solutions' as if they're some kind of innovative revelation. Let me just confirm for you. They aren't.

However Lucy's law was initiated in England and Wales today and that will have an impact on improving dog behaviour and welfare.

Your posts are delusional. There are many many happy, healthy dogs, living in happy, healthy situations. Yes, some people have some issues with some dogs.

I didn't say that dogs have human characteristics. Dogs are largely not subject to cruelty. Domesticated isn't an oxymoron; it means they live comfortably in homes with humans.

Did you have a bad experience with a dog? I can't think of any other reason you'd be so polarised, to the extent that you will just make up codswallop, to make the simple point that you hate dogs. To strangers. On the Internet. Why get so ruffled? I have strong feelings about it because I've got a dog, a very lovely, loved, well behaved dog. Why do you care?

Last time I checked children won't run for miles and miles away from you up to a stranger and jump all over them. Maybe mine is just well trained?
I didn't say children would run for miles and miles.

I pointed out that parents can't guarantee their child wouldn't run off or touch things such as lampposts or benches.

After all on any dog threads on here there's always dozens of posters claiming their child can't help running up to dogs yelling "doggie", their child can't help approaching unknown dogs (even if on leads!), their child can't help but grab at dogs' faces because they're just a toddler and toddlers are curious. Responsible dog owners are routinely told that parents just can't help this happening because that's just what children do.
Funny how on this thread children can absolutely be trusted to behave in a way that ensures they don't risk contact with a highly contagious virus (and the major risk isn't from life in a public place, but the odd off lead dog), but on other threads children can't possibly be expected to leave dogs along because they're just children and they naturally explore (so any dog that isn't up for having their face grabbed by a random toddler must be vicious with an irresponsible owner).

Equally, nobody can guarantee that the air they are breathing hasn't got Covid droplets in it, and I highly doubt a couple of off lead dogs are substantially increasing the risk. What are people on this thread going to do if they happened to get Covid? Sit and say "I mean I did go to the supermarket a number of times and I did have to touch a trolley and I did take my daily exercise outdoors where I can't filter the air... But an off lead dog walked past me so that's absolutely how I caught it?"

I find the lack of logic entertaining because there seems to always be a majority in favour of responsible dog ownership dictated by the individual dog, location, context and then a minority who either dislike dogs or think their personal preference on what is responsible is gospel.

Why do you care

Because I think keeping certain animals as pets is cruel. Especially certain breeds of dog, that are so inbred now anyway, that no matter how well trained they are, they will still attack people and other animals. It's in them to behave that way

So no I dont 'hate dogs', or any sentient being. I just think some dogs are too big and powerful to be kept as pets. For the sake of both the dog and the general community