Dog owners very irresponsible letting them of leafs on walks knowing they too can spread covid19?

[mumieone]

Today on my permitted walk in semi rural area two men having a day on the beach just let thier dog run wild with no consideration for social distancing.

With reports on dogs, cats and the latest tiger having symptoms and testing positive for covid19 should dig owners be allowed to let thier dogs just jump on passers by?

I saw the dog coming and moved about 4 metres away from the men. One just lit up a fab and did nothing and the other watched.

When I moved the dig chased me as I ran to try to climb up a hill. I threw stones near it to try to deter but didn't work and owner eventually took him and said he was being friendly. More like dangerous. I said look we are all trying to social distance and who knows if your dog has covid19 and some of us are trying to keep ourselves and others safe and social distance!

Shouldnt dog owners be more careful?

I'd find that quite hard to do. It's a completely different screen and you've got to go through a few clicks, via a big envelope sign, the one that generally denotes pms.

To be fair. Its not that hard to do if you're already in the message screen and think you're in the thread. Especially if you're not used to the format

Goodnight from the mutt and me! Stay safe!

Don't believe a word you say, Flax, sorry. Most of what you've said on this thread has been unfounded. You've even quoted something which disproved your own point, then continued to argue it.

Nah. Not buying the BC defence.

‘I did not have private communications with that woman’ will not wash in this instance.

@Sostenueto

You lucky lucky bugger. That is one beautiful hound. x

@Flaxmeadow attack the weakest in the pecking order. The high amount of hospital admissions of children savaged by dogs is testament to that

What a load of shite - in that case my girl and most other dogs would've mauled the youngest or the illest in the family the first chance they got... my baby is still alive despite being a week and feeble baby.
@Sostenueto you can go lower than a dog it doesn't enact any pack mentality. As above my baby will crawl round on the floor and is still very much alive and kicking. Dog doesn't give him a second look to be honest and will occasionally give up her bed for him to play on. Also I've been laid on the floor hundreds of times and have yet to be attacked?

But what about the dolphins??? !!!

I don’t know if it’s boredom but all of a sudden, a lot of people are persistently criticising others. What happened to live and let live, we all know what the rules are providing our conscience is clear, that’s all we can control.
We don’t know others circumstances or their reasons for apparently breaking the rules.

This is a good example of...'the whole world must bend over backwards and change behaviour to accommodate my dog' ...reasoning
Nope.
Just people correctly pointing out that humans are more than capable of moderating their behaviour to behave sensibly and reasonably around animals.

It's funny how you consider it unreasonable to expect adults to teach their children to behave responsibly around animals (eg. It's expecting everyone to bow down to dogs to say parents should prevent their child running up to dogs, grabbing at dogs and so on) and yet it's been argued on this thread that children are absolutely immaculate in public and wouldn't run off, touch things etc. It seems whether parents should be expected to monitor their children and whether humans should be expected to use an ounce of common sense depends on whether it will allow the moaners to villify dogs.

Given telling children how to behave responsibly around dogs is bending over backwards for dogs, can I ask how you'd feel about your child running up behind a horse and startling it? Or getting close to them on bike rides/walks? Of course based on your logic the children should be free to do that because expecting them to behave appropriately around horses is bending over backwards to accommodate horses.

What about traffic? Do you allow your children to walk into roads? Charge into traffic? Play in roads? Surely not. I'd expect you teach them how to behave around roads and traffic. Look at all the pesky drivers expecting parents and children to modify their behaviour around roads.

We were out walking in the woods behind our house.

A dog off a lead came towards DD1.

She said to it '2 meters! 2 meters! You can't come nearer than 2 meters to me!'

The dog listened and went back to its owner

Dogs that jump on people are always annoying. I was out walking rookiedog last night and got jumped on by a labrador who smelt the liver treats or perhaps always jumps on people. My clothes got covered in mud and it was irritating especially as the owner seemed completely ineffectual.

However rookiedog can happily trot on a walk and shows no interest in going up to people < squirrels are different > so whilst I'll keep him on the lead if there's quite a lot of people about or if we're going past the horses, if the countryside is relatively empty I cannot see what harm I'm doing by letting him off lead. Sometimes people try to pat him still and I discourage them, but surely that's on them rather than on the dog.

Well there you go news update keep cats in as it can be transferred on fur.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52204534

'But the British Veterinary Association said "owners should not worry" about any risk of infection from their pets.
"There isn't a single case of a pet dog or cat infecting a human with Covid-19," Dr Angel Almendros, from City University in Hong Kong, told BBC News.
Research has shown cats may be able to catch the virus from other cats.'

It's to protect the cats. Dogs have different behaviour patterns and lifestyles. Any responsible dog owner knows where their dog is, and whether it's been touched by strangers, at all times.

The dog listened and went back to its owner grin

Brilliant!

One of mine knows left and right, the other one doesn't, but follows. Might line them up for a two meters training session.

Yes dogs should be on a lead, but for you to throw stones at or near any animal = dick move.

Just cross your arms with hands in armpits and turn your back to the dog if you're concerned and continue with the washing hands and clothes when you get home. No need for silly dramatics.

Keep your stupid dogs on a lead. Simples. Your pet keep it near you. Some people don’t care if they are being ‘friendly’ we just don’t want them near us thanks. It’s weird how disliking dogs makes you akin to the worst criminal ever?!

Dogs aren’t stupid but some owners are. Simples.

Hope you feel better for that.

@davincitoad Stop tarring everybody with the same brush. Simples.

I'm a dog owner whose dog can be both off lead and under control. Like you, I think that dogs shouldn't be jumping up at strangers, under any circumstances, and especially not now.

Nobody has intimated that disliking dogs makes a person akin to a criminal. That's your own drama, nobody else's.

If you don't like dogs around you, that's unfortunate and you'll have to get a grip on that. I don't always want people around, but I don't expect them all to go home to cater for my whims. Dogs are around. They shouldn't be jumping up at you, but you'll upset yourself over and over if you don't like them walking past you, and continue to frequent popular dog walking areas.

Just people correctly pointing out that humans are more than capable of moderating their behaviour to behave sensibly and reasonably around animals.

It's funny how you consider it unreasonable to expect adults to teach their children to behave responsibly ...

You dont get it do you?

It's your dog it's your responsibility. Stop pushing that responsibility onto other people. They don't want anything to do with your dog.

Keep your dog away from other people. Why is it so hard to understand

Flax, the vast majority of people we responsible dog owners come across think our dogs are nice, and if they don't, they let us know, and we keep our dogs away from them. It's basic respect, and communication going both ways. Nobody is condoning dogs jumping up and bothering strangers.

Which bit are you struggling with?

Flax. Most people DO keep their dogs away from people. I certainly do. My dog wouldn’t give you the time of day. I hate anybody touching or fussing my dog. It only serves to disrupt the training process.

Keep your kids away from my dog. She doesn’t want them screeching and running up to her, patting her head and generally being a nuisance.

If a child asks if he can stroke the dog I can guide him on how to do it properly, without causing distress to the dog. Screeching, screaming, unruly children are not welcome around my dog. Can you not see that if a dog is suddenly scared he is most likely to snap - therefore by parents teaching their children how to behave around dogs is for the child’s benefit.

Isn’t it reasonable to expect dog owners to be responsible and adults to teach children to be responsible around dogs also? It works both ways flax

Flax, the vast majority of people we responsible dog owners come across think our dogs are nice, and if they don't, they let us know, and we keep our dogs away from them. It's basic respect, and communication going both ways. Nobody is condoning dogs jumping up and bothering strangers.

I dispute that the vast majority of dog owners are responsible, if my local park is anything to go by. Dogs off leads everywhere. Very poor recall with many of them too

Now that the fenced off children's play areas are closed. This means children have no protection anymore from any potentially dangerous dog off lead in a park

How is this fair? How are people supposed to use parks if they are dog runs? What about people who are scared of dogs, a high number of people

And before someone compares dogs to children
Children do not
Crap and spray urine allover the place
Spread disease
They do not crush bones with their jaws,
Or cause deep lacerations and wounds that require hospital surgery, even amputations, and a course of intra venous anti biotics

I understand that not all dog owners are irresponsible. But many are. Why aren't the responsible ones lobbying for stricter dog control? Because the irresponsible ones give you a bad name. You'd think you would want more controls

You notice the unruly dogs because they cause a problem. You don’t notice the many well trained dogs because they cause you no problem. Just like kids really....

I spend many hours walking amongst dogs. Most dogs are very well behaved. Just like you, and everyone else, I don’t want untrained, unruly, out of control dogs around me either. There is nothing worse than some unruly dog jumping all over me. But because some owners can’t be arsed to put the effort into training their dogs don’t tar all dog owners with the same brush. MOST dog owners are responsible owners. SOME aren’t. We can all agree on that.

@Flaxmeadow Now that the fenced off children's play areas are closed. This means children have no protection anymore from any potentially dangerous dog off lead in a park

Urm I mean is this even a thing! A fence would offer no protection even if these dogs are as bloodthirsty as you say. They could jump it if very determined.

Although I've yet to come across one of these beasts yet.

Think you need a break now as your arguments are becoming ridiculous. You say you owned a dog! Poor thing did you ever walk it without a muzzle?