Has their been a change of opinion about lockdown?

[Maryann1975]

So three weeks ago, all I heard about was why weren’t the government locking everything down quickly enough. There was such outrage about it at the time, how bad it was that the government hadn’t shut schools quickly enough, that people were still mixing and big events were still going ahead.

We are now at The start of week three of the ‘lockdown’ (which wasn’t really a full lockdown, But I’m not really sure what to call the period we are in) and people are desperately wondering when everywhere will reopen and seem to be desperate for the schools to reopen.

I’m wondering if the reality of ‘lockdown’ doesn’t fit with what everyone thought it would be (it’s quite hard dealing with dc every day with no break and no where to take them especially if you are having to work through out from home with the dc arguing around your feet). It’s really boring staying at home all the time, missing holidays, missing family, missing friends and gatherings, social interactions, No eating out, cinema, theatre, coffees etc.

Maybe there are two groups of posters and three weeks ago I mainly caught the pro lockdown group Posting and now I am just seeing the pro economy/lift the lockdown posts. I don’t know? I have also just had a group call with friends and it seemed to be that some thought we should be lifting lockdown pretty soon.

It just seems so contradictory from three weeks ago when people were clamouring for the government to take action.

Have children starting at 10am but then parents would say they needed to go to work later too

Or starting later for the secondary aged kids who are more likely to be on public transport and more likely to go to school some distance from home, but who don’t need childcare? Or key workers’ kids in early, others later?

Based on the evidence I’d expect workplace closures/extended WFH to last longer than school closures - without considering the fact that before many returns to work can happen schools and childcare would need to be back anyway.

But as Sunshine has said we can’t all stay home until there’s a vaccine so some measures will need to be lifted and tested in a way that keeps cases under the point at which the NHS becomes overwhelmed - and of course capacity in the NHS is increasing too.

But isolating now must be doing something in breaking some of the threads of cases.

And listening to the health leaders it sounds like this will become a big part of the exit strategy - high levels of community testing, isolation and contact tracing and isolation of contacts.

Nicola sturgeon has said a few times not to expect our (Scottish ) kids back till after summer. I think cause ours break up in June anyway they might just hold off then everything normal in August when summer is up. Maybe other UK kids would go back in May as it would be worth going back for the 2 months .

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mumsnet is one of the ways Tory bots and journalists test - and also try to manipulate - public opinion. Hence there are lots of posts preparing people for the partial lockdown we have now to be further lifted. We will be told the NHS now has the nightingale hospitals and can therefore cope and that there will be contact tracing. The high risk will be told they have to stay in their home longer and rely on food parcels.

The reality is that those hospitals are not yet operational - the staff are not trained and not getting adequate training. Testing is not yet at a suitable level and it's still not clear how accurate it is. The peak will be reached at different times in different places so it would be sensible to relax some places before others.

One testing is ramped up and the hospitals are working then it's time to start a gradual exit.

mumsnet is one of the ways Tory bots and journalists test - and also try to manipulate - public opinion. Hence there are lots of posts preparing people for the partial lockdown we have now to be further lifted. We will be told the NHS now has the nightingale hospitals and can therefore cope and that there will be contact tracing. The high risk will be told they have to stay in their home longer and rely on food parcels.

Yes, no one but a Tory-bot could want to lift the lockdown.

I've not noticed any party affiliation with lockdown position.

Just guessing this.

They say 20% of cases roughly will become my re serious.

If these are testes and 50,000 have it. Does that mean around 500,000 at least have it. Probably many many more? It's nowhere near herd immunity either way.

If my DD is allowed back to school even part time that would make a huge difference to us, yet we could still manage fine not going anywhere else for other things. It would lift the kids spirits massively to be with peers. We don't need to rush to open pubs, clubs, arcades. Restaurants etc. Although I do really feel for the owners. Perhaps takeaway food to start with to get them moving again.

Do you know what? After all this I hope people start supporting,market stalls, milkmen, butcher's, small businesses and garden centers for eggs, meat, milk, veg, cakes, jam, biscuits, etc. Because they are the reason ive been able to get food. Asda (not there fault) after being a delivery customer for years (no car) have not been reliable. The one time I got a slot they sent me an order with half the items unavailable. My sister's order got messed up on the system. They sent her £24 out of £110 worth shopping. They said it was there end but she should be greatful some was coming! She has two children and lives in a village without a car. Council put her there. There was nothing she could make a meal with out of the £24.

I agree @SouthsideOwl

I also am intrigued about how people think others aren’t taking it seriously or not complying? I find this phenomenon that people think everyone else but then is doing it wrong but then quite astonishing. The current measures as far as I know take into account already that there will be some element of non compliance. Seeing pics in the daily mail of a couple of people sitting on a beach or a gathering in a park doesn’t mean that the vast majority of the rest of the 65 million of us aren’t taking it seriously

I don't see how we could send any child back into a crammed stuffy unhygienic environment at all, until we have a total handle in the virus.

We have risk assessments and safe guarding over cake sales and money handling and plastic gloves.

You can't send dc back into schools, risk teaches, their families, other staff etc. Not when we know young dc are not as safe as previously thought.

We cannot risk one dc life at all.

Bornfree did you see the report that someone linked upthread a bit about the impact of school closures on covid19 spread?

We cannot risk one dc life at all.

This is something closer to a religion than plan of action. Children's (and people's) lives are risked all the time in pursuit of living.

We cannot risk one dc life at all.

That’s just never going to be possible unless you are advocating schools not opening until there’s a reliable vaccine been rolled out. It’s not feasible to do that and impact the education of thousands of children just to not risk the life of one child.

You dont have to be a Tory to see that the lockdown has to be lifted sometime - I dont vote Tory. That makes no difference to mumsnet being used to gauge and manipulate public opinion, that has been happening for years. I seriously doubt some long term posters actually exist.

@MigginsMrs would you be saying "just one child "if it was your child who was the unlucky one ?

That’s just never going to be possible unless you are advocating schools not opening until there’s a reliable vaccine been rolled out. It’s not feasible to do that and impact the education of thousands of children just to not risk the life of one child.

Or ever. Children pick up other things and have accidents in schools that are unrelated to COVID-19, many of which have the potential to be a risk to life, particularly for children whose health is vulnerable.

would you be saying "just one child "if it was your child who was the unlucky one ?

That doesn’t even make sense. If and when schools open my children are going to be as at risk as most other people’s. That can’t be a good enough reason to keep schools closed for 18 months or however until there’s a vaccine. Let’s go further. Let’s stop all children going out in cars ever because one is at risk of dying.

There are thousands and thousands of children in schools. You can’t make a decision on whether to open them or not on whether “one child” will ever be at risk. The response has to be proportionate to the risk. That’s not to say I think they should open next week, or even any time soon, but saying they can’t open until such a time as no child is at risk ever is beyond nonsensical

I put my child at risk by sending them into the world full stop, COVID or no COVID. Children die of chicken pox, sepsis, in car accidents etc etc. It isn’t possible to entirely eliminate risk from life.

That said any risk obviously needs to be minimised and proportionate.

I would t suggest it would be proportionate to open schools and nurseries now but it may we’ll be in 3/4 weeks. We don’t know for definite yet, it will depend on the data.

@MigginsMrs would you be saying "just one child "if it was your child who was the unlucky one ?

Obviously not, and your reasoning still does not make sense.

People who say such silly things as 'not one child's life can be at risk' have zero understanding of how the world actually works - or, the other possible alternative is that they like to put a chilling effect on debate.

Exactly @JassyRadlett. The lack of any kind of ability to think rationally or apply any sense of proportionality by some posters is completely ridiculous. You wonder if they ever even left their house before CV given every single time we leave the house there’s a risk of dying 🙄

Agree @Sunshinegirl82

would you be saying "just one child "if it was your child who was the unlucky one ?

Children can unfortunately die from lots of causes. Chicken pox can kill. Flu can kill. Every time our children leave the house there is a risk of something causing serious injury/illness/death. At home their is a risk of something causing serious injury/illness/death.

@MigginsMrs it was your wording of only one like they don't matter that is what my post meant. It wouldn't be only one reports are coming in everyday from all the world of children dying from this. It wouldn't be only one it would be hundreds or thousands . To simply shrug it off like a child is just taking a hit for the team was awful.

There's no point sermonising about people who are going to die from covid19, Peppa, any more than there's any point of sermonising about the people who die from car accidents or poor air quality.

I think there is a growing awareness that something is not right.

If the situation is so dangerous why are large groups of people being put at risk so that everyone else can sunbathe in the park and go to their second homes.

Businesses can survive between a couple of weeks and six months depending upon their reserves, overheads and liabilities.

No businesses means no jobs no taxes and no public services.

Fuck all this hand clapping bullshit we have to return to work whilst there is still some work to go to.

If you believe in lockdown the that means everybody and not a select few and that means everyone in the nhs, every power worker, every food distributor, all of the real people that keep society going.

@MarginalGain can you point to any post where I said 'not one child's life can be at risk' . I certainly never said that.

I think even tighter restrictions should be imposed. No great for the ecomony but the sooner we can get our figures near to zero, the sooner we'll save lives, can see our loved ones and building things up again.