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Will the vaccine be mandatory?

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CathyandHeathcliff · 06/04/2020 07:22

When and if there’s a vaccine, will we all be instructed to have it?
I don’t get the flu jab and never have.

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BelleSausage · 06/04/2020 07:46

@CathyandHeathcliff

The OP is obviously completely happy to use other people as their personal shield, as long as it doesn’t affect them.

Yes, OP. Anyone not vaccinated against corona should not be able to access schooling or NHS services. Because they chose to make themselves untouchable and want the rest of us to shield them in their selfishness. Fuck that.

WakeAndBake · 06/04/2020 07:48

Are the posters hoping for a MANDATORY vaccine with exclusion from society being the punishment for non-compliance also fans of a Chinese style social credit system?

Do you want more surveillance and control? How about the government ordering people to be sterilized for the common good? Euthanized? Where are you drawing the line?

bellinisurge · 06/04/2020 07:50

The dicks who expect other people to get the vaccine for them should pay an extra tax direct to the NHS. Which is probably a wholly unworkable idea but my disgust at anti vaxxers knows no bounds.
There's no herd immunity for measles in my area because of these twats.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 06/04/2020 07:50

Ah here we go.

I think there should be some medically necessary exceptions, but yes.

but I also think that unvaccinated children should not be accepted to school. State school at least, go private or home school if you decide to opt out without a medical reason.

GCAcademic · 06/04/2020 07:52

How about the government ordering people to be sterilized for the common good? Euthanized? Where are you drawing the line?

That is a ridiculous analogy. Other members of society not dying from a disease does not depend on someone else's fertility or their being alive.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 06/04/2020 07:52

I can draw the at vaccination for protection of society as a whole and the immunosuppressed in particular.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 06/04/2020 07:53

Draw the line.

Marieo · 06/04/2020 07:55

To protect those who cannot have it for medical reasons, then yes. Measles is rampant again around here, which is ridiculous when there's a vaccine for it. I agree that those expecting others to take one for the team should be excluded from schools etc until they have caught it. I would imagine if the antibody test ever comes to fruition that will be done before rolling out a vaccine programme.

WakeAndBake · 06/04/2020 07:56

@BelleSausage

Why are you so angry and aggressive? Do you think a vaccine for a novel disease, produced in the space of a few months will have been tested properly? No margin for error? Do you think vaccines are entirely risk free?

I have had loads of vaccinations, my kids too, but the idea of rushed out, mandatory vaccinations that you must have or be denied access to society sounds like something the Chinese government would be a fan of. Perhaps you might like to move to a more authoritarian country?

byebyebeautiful · 06/04/2020 07:57

Why do you think the vaccine in question would be untested? That's a slightly paranoid and mad theory.

Wakeandbake you are giving stoners a bad name!

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CathyandHeathcliff · 06/04/2020 07:58

I’m not an anti vaxxer, I’ve had my DS vaccinated. But I’m just wondering whether this would be mandatory as I’ve never had the flu jab before and thought there might be the same guidelines around this one.

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donquixotedelamancha · 06/04/2020 07:59

Are the posters hoping for a MANDATORY vaccine with exclusion from society being the punishment for non-compliance also fans of a Chinese style social credit system?

At the moment everyone is excluded from society. I don't think it's unreasonable for those who refuse to accept a vaccine to continue to face the same restrictions until the crisis is over. That is a very long way from the Chinese system.

Those who refuse to vaccinate pose a risk to those who can't vaccinate. People's right to be stupid (which I support) does not trump other's right to life.

WakeAndBake · 06/04/2020 07:59

@byebye

How would they have time to do proper tests if it is released in the next 6-12 months( normally these things take years...

awkwardbuttons · 06/04/2020 07:59

Once it has been properly tested I would definitely have it and would have no problem with the state limiting access to certain public services for those who have not (e.g. schooling). Just because it is produced more quickly does not mean it was not properly tested

Is there any limit to the amount of vaccines people are happy to take/be ordered to have? Would you have dozens? Scores? Hundreds?

Is there a limit to the number of preventable illnesses you are happy to have? That's the other side of the coin to this rather odd question. I'll have as many vaccines as I can get my hands on if they are tested and particularly if they are administered as part of a proper vaccination programme like the childhood vaccines, where the spacing has also been found to be safe.

bellinisurge · 06/04/2020 08:00

Perhaps anti-MMR knobheads will have their kids refused state schooling. Enough of this stupid indulgent shit.

awkwardbuttons · 06/04/2020 08:01

WakeandBake they can be produced more quickly because they put more resources into it and start human trials earlier. Would I want to be one of those in the first human trial? Probably not!

NeedAUsernameGenerator · 06/04/2020 08:01

My kids have had all their vaccinations, as have I, but as I'm as sure as I can be without testing that we've had coronavirus I'd rather have an antibody test if that was an option.

WakeAndBake · 06/04/2020 08:03

Wouldn’t it be easier for vulnerable people to be offered the vaccine and have the strong develop the herd immunity we have heard about? If the vulnerable don’t want the shot then they can stay home? How much damage/death from the vaccine would you find acceptable? Or is your position that there is no damage/death possible from the vaccine?

safariboot · 06/04/2020 08:03

When first available it'll be vulnerable people and NHS workers only anyway, because there won't be enough to do everyone at once.

If and when it's advised for everyone, I'll probably get it.

But making it mandatory I feel is questionable. The UK hasn't made other vaccinations mandatory and I think it's best to stick with that precedent. The time for MPs and the people to consider whether vaccines should or shouldn't be forced was before a crisis not during it.

cobwebsoncornices · 06/04/2020 08:08

The DC have all of their vaccines and I treated those letters from nurse as a summons. It never occurred to me not to get them vaccinated.
I'm not in the category who get invited for the flu jab but have always worked for organisations who offer it free to their employees. After having it three or four times, I haven't had it for the last 5-6yrs as I tend to feel really ill for a couple of days afterwards. I haven't caught flu regardless of whether I have had the jab or not.
As for this vaccine , I will think long & hard as, by it's very nature, it will be impossible for them to have done long term tests on it.

WakeAndBake · 06/04/2020 08:11

@awkwardbuttons. Would I want to be one of those in the first human trial? Probably not!

Fair enough. So you are happy for others to take the risk of being in the trials? The brave or the desperate.

How about the test subjects for the vaccine are selected from the population by lottery, refusal to participate results in loss of benefits/access to nhs etc.

Good idea?

BelleSausage · 06/04/2020 08:12

@WakeAndBake

I am angry because you obviously know nothing about immunity or vaccination but are already shooting your mouth off to scare others into not getting the vaccine.

That is how hers immunity fails. Not enough people are getting the MMR because of the stupid Mr. Wakefield and his pack of lies. Now the UK is no longer considered a measles free country and herd immunity is disappearing.

There is a balance in freedoms. If people can be relied on the act in the common good then the government doesn’t have to act. However, for something that affects us all then we sometimes have to make things mandatory.

In reverse, where do we stop with freedoms. Should people be free to murder, molest, rob, own guns, build what they want where they want? Where do those freedoms stop?

feelingverylazytoday · 06/04/2020 08:14

I will be vaccinated at the earliest opportunity, assuming I haven't acquirred immunity by then.
I think it should be mandatory, as should the MMR, unless there are medical grounds for refusing it.

foxychox · 06/04/2020 08:19

The safety and efficacy hurdles for a vaccine that will go into the entire population are incredibly high and participants will have to be very carefully selected. Certainly in the UK and EU standards won't be dropped due to time pressures....

ch3rrycola · 06/04/2020 08:23

If it makes me as ill as the flu vaccine which I was advised to stop having back in 2008 then nope, I hope it isn't mandatory

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