Where do you think this came from?

[Woman31]

Just that really. Where do you think this virus came from? What started it?

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/28/is-factory-farming-to-blame-for-coronavirus

First few paragraphs for those who think it’s been built in a lab.

The bats that are blamed for this don't exist in the wild anywhere near this market.
However, animals are used for research into viruses at the lab that is close to the market.
We will probably never know, given that information coming out of China is very tightly controlled.
The Chinese government have just made the treatment of Covid-19 with bear bile legal. I am struggling to work out why, but assume it is politically motivated. It sure isn't scientific.

Sorry, should have said the bats don't exist in the wild in this part of China.

SARS and MERS were also respiratory viruses that originated from animals, but they were nowhere near as contagious or as deadly as this.
Something doesn’t seem right here.
Can the cause of all these deaths really originate from just one person who ate an infected animal? The strain couldn’t be be that strong, surely?
I believe it was an experiment ordered by the Chinese government in the research centre in Wuhan.
It’s very suspicious that several people, including that poor young doctor who died, have been silenced by the Chinese authorities.
Whether a pandemic was intended or not I don’t know. But I do not believe the current story.

Pangolins seem fairly likely.

I agree with Poptart and I'm not even much of a conspiracy theorist.

I have been reading all the news and the wet markets seem the most likely explanation but we all only know that because we are told that. If it is anything else that is the cause it will eventually be revealed in years down the line.

Poptart this is more contagious than SARS which makes it spreading more likely. They still both started with one person.

Popstart - That is something I have also considered. When this is all over and in the History books I hope it is recorded correctly, unfortunately at the moment we have to believe and trust the information we are given by the government and scientists.

That one person is patient zero I believe. Contagion explains it well if you’re up for a good film.

Nobody really knows how life got started on Earth. You'll get a Nobel prize if you can figure it out, OP.

It started in the large city of Wuhan, Hubai province, China

Some of the first known cases were market traders in a wet market there. Wuhan is a large densely populated city, almost the population of London, and so the disease spread rapidly within the city population and then further afield

The virus had crossed species, from an animal to a human, then evolved again? to spread by human to human contact. The same pattern as some other epedemic viruses had done in the past.

Yes people had eaten bats in China. The virus probably started in bats, carriers of a virus that did not affect them. It may have come directly from bats or crossed into another animal from bats and then into humans

The virus is a new Coronavirus. Is being studied intently by scientists across the world, to see how it behaved in the past, behaves now and how it will probably behave in the future

I know there are people on social media saying it might be a biological weapon, but if so we should sack the bio-weapons division as this is just not effective enough.
Also inventing a disease that kept spreading until it covered the world would be like inventing a 100 megaton nuclear boomerang

SARS and MERS were also respiratory viruses that originated from animals, but they were nowhere near as contagious or as deadly as this.

As I understand it they were more deadly but not as contagious. Different viruses, and different strains of virus, behave in different ways

I think it could have originated from the wet market but there are definitely people developing and studying similar kinds of viruses as biological weapons. Just look at how much investment countries put into their nuclear weapons programmes and things that have come to light, like MK Ultra, makes you wonder what we don't know about.

Contagion is an excellent film, but a bit scary in current climate.

Oh i see we do have one :)

"Can the cause of all these deaths really originate from just one person" how many trees in a forest can you burn down with one match? lol

My personal opinion, and I know it is just an opinion, is that it probably did come from the lab accidentally, possibly via an employee/employees.
I very much doubt it was deliberate.
Saving face is probably the most important aspect of Chinese culture and politics, so there is no way the virus research lab would ever be mentioned by the Chinese government.
The wet market is a far more acceptable stated source. It is possible that the initial spreader/s visited the market.
I will never forget the photographs of that poor doctor who tried to raise the alarm, was silenced and subsequently died.

There are other virus strains that have jumped to humans that have a higher fatality or have a higher virulence. I don't think these factors make it suspicious, it was just a matter of time until there was a virus that was fairly good on both fronts. From reading about H5N1 after reading the Guardian article posted above, I'm glad that wasn't more virulent or we would be screwed on a much larger scale.

As I understand it they were more deadly but not as contagious. Different viruses, and different strains of virus, behave in different ways

Yes, and also not contagious via asymptomatic people. This makes a massive difference to the spread.

There have been epidemics and pandemics throughout history. Globalisation undoubtedly makes the latter more likely to occur now.

This fascinating lecture from 2008 will tell you how inevitable this was. The world was warned but did not change.

SARS and MERS were reported aa much more deadly. 10% and 35% mortality rate compared to covid 19 which is 2-3% in think. Just as well it's not as deadly given the speed at which is has spread

Outer space?
Accidentally released from storage in area 51.
Those in the know are wearing tin foil head pieces to protect themselves.

www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

This Scientific American article sums things up quite well. It talks to a scientist who studied coronaviruses at the laboratory in Wuhan (beige and during this outbreak)

Beige? Before! Before and during this outbreak.