How do you honestly THINK this will end?

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Just that really....

I’m a very anxious person. I can’t see a light at the end of this very dark tunnel.

My version of the end is that the virus continues to spread. It mutates to be even more dangerous, with a 100% mortality.
It can’t be contained.
Civilisation will be destroyed.

Those that manage to avoid it will have to find ways to survive until eventually they catch it too......

Please don’t lay into me for my “end”
Right now this is honestly how I’m thinking and it’s a really scary place to be in.

Seriously how does everyone else think this will end?

More of these viruses will happen

I've seen something along these lines said a few times now, just curious as to whether there's any evidence that more virus pandemics are likely in the future? Most of us have never seen anything like this in our lifetime so it seems fairly rare, are there scientific reasons it would become more frequent in the future, more population density in certain places and more people travelling between countries?

No op your version will not happen please try to calm if you can I know these are horrendous times but please don’t let anxiety take over.
I think a vaccine will be ready by December and until then the government will do whatever they can to ease the burden off the nhs so think we’ll be like this another 6 weeks or so and then for a few weeks in Oct time and after Xmas we can look to getting back on track somehow.
Op I found that meditation and mindfulness helped me when I was at the height of my anxiety there’s resources on the nhs until you can see a gp they might be worth a try.

Forgive me, but won't all us vulnerable and oldies locked away for three months away from the virus, be even more likely to succumb when we are allowed to mix. We won't have built up immunity the way other folks have

The cruise ship in Japan provided the perfect opportunity to monitor how contagious the disease is and how deadly.

Out of approximately 3000 people, 600 contracted the virus. Of those 600 - most of whom were 60+ - 40% had no symptoms. 10 people died.

This virus poses no threat to humanity. That’s insane.

It obviously poses a threat to the NHS, as like a lot of viruses, it spreads like wildfire within hospitals. You see this with norovirus as well.

I’m not trying to minimise recent events, but I do think it’s important to keep things in perspective.

Most mutations are less virulent, not more.

Likelihood is we will rumble on for a year or so with a more restricted life than we are used to - but things will be gradually getting back to normal in that time.

Once the vaccine is out things will depend a lot on how the Government choose to deal with the debt. Austerity is not the only option - creating government funded jobs is also a way to kickstart the economy. I don't know enough to know what is best.

But I think once there is a vaccine things will get back to a "normal" fairly quickly - although it might be a 1950s economy sort of normal, rather than a 2000s one...

OP you keep posting stuff like this and it’s really not going to help you, have you been able to access any medical help for your anxiety?

@NeutralJanet. There is reasonably good evidence. The likelihood would be restricted if we get our population under control, stop encroaching on spaces occupied by wild animals and stop catching wild animals. cover-19, twin flu, MERS and SARS (all 21st century viruses) came about because of a species leap, as did AIDS and other viruses of the 20th century. Ebola is another one that is associated with increase exposure to the habitats of wild animals.

curious as to whether there's any evidence that more virus pandemics are likely in the future

New viruses pop up all the time. It is rare that they have the characteristics necessary to make a worrying pandemic - but it will certainly happen again. However, there is nothing I am aware of to say "again" means imminently. It could be another 100-150 years.

swine not twin

The way I think that THIS will end is that you will report your scaremongering thread to Mumsnet, ask to have it taken down, get in touch with a doctor and, in ten years' time, when your condition has been well under control for almost ten years and you are a much happier person, you will look back and thank your lucky stars that this pandemic got you to take action about your anxiety issues.

That's my preferred scenario.

Viruses spread very quickly via air travel, so it is likely that there will be more viral epidemics.

Peepee

I thing's also linked to keeping animals in vile and overcrowded conditions, and feeding them food which they are not designed by nature to eat and which their bodies can't cope with, and which therefore renders them more open to infections and new diseases, many of which now cross the species divide just because they are being fed crap - eg BSE (as I understand it) was a mutated and much more dangerous form of a disease which originated in sheep (scrapie). It developed in cattle because in order to "save money", the parts of the sheep which would normally have been dumped/ made into fertiliser were dried out (concentrating the virus - IIRC it was the brain and spina cord) and ground down and added to cattle feed to bulk it out. So we were feeding ANIMAL PROTEIN to a HERBIVORE - an animal which is not designed by nature to digest it - and not even decent animal proteins at that. Non-nutritious, diseased animal protein. And of course we keep animals in such horrible conditions that their immune systems are depressed anyway, which doesn't help.

Forgive me if I've got details wrong - I'm remembering back umpteen years to the BSE crisis.

Until we start respecting animals, and their needs, things like this will happen And it serves us right - not for eating meat, but for demanding cheap flesh food in such ridiculous quantities that in order to keep up with demand, suppliers will do anything to cut costs and cram more and more poor, suffering creatures into ever worse conditions.

If you compare science today to the Spanish Flu epidemic we are in a different world. They can sequence the genome, create vaccines much more quickly. Information is more freely available.

COVID 19 is less deadly than Spanish Flu and we already understand more about how it works than they could have done at any point during the Spanish Flu epidemic.

Do you have technique for stopping the intrusive thought spiral. Even something like a deferral strategy like telling yourself “there is no evidence of that happening yet so I don’t need to think about it now”. Your brain will then go “but what if....” Take a couple of deep breaths and say to yourself “It’s not happening now so I don’t need to think about it now”. Then try to focus on something in the present: colour a picture, knit a sock, bake a cake, play with a child, put on your favourite happy song and dance around the room.

There'll be a vaccine soon enough, and possibly a more effective treatment. And most of us will get it mildly and develop immunity. And by next winter, or thereabouts, life will go back to normal and it'll just be one of those things that occasionally you hear about someone getting ill with. While we all work hard to pull ourselves out of the economic hole and find new ways of living now that we've realised we don't actually need most of the stuff we thought we did. And obviously stuff our cupboards full of toilet paper just in case.

Antibody testing in Germany will really help in next couple of weeks.

We’ll get a far better idea of how many people have had it.

@elfies that isn't the way herd immunity works. If enough people have natural immunity then their bodies would zap the microbes pretty quickly and they would not get the virus and would not be contagious. That would protect the vulnerable who cannot risk getting it because, for them, it would not be an immunising experience, but a deadly one. This is why social distancing and self-isolation measures are being modelled by scientists. Bring them in too soon and you don't get that social impact, so when you lift the measures more people die. It also means that it is very important we all follow the guidelines during this period of lock down. Otherwise we get all the economic disadvantages and none of of the herd immunity advantages. If everyone cheats just a little bit then you very quickly have long chains of human interaction that the microbes can use as a kind of motorway to get from their current host to a vulnerable person who can't fight off the infection.

I’d love for the positives people mention to stick but I’m not sure. People might go the other way.

@ravenmum

Couldn't agree more.

Sorry, OP, but had a quick search of your previous posts and your way of dealing with anxiety about CV seems to be posting about it and expounding worst case scenarios.

I suspect that could be more infectious than CV.

I'll be hiding this thread now and any others like it. We are all dealing in our own way (everyone is anxious about this, to a greater or lesser extent - you're not unique) and considering disaster movie scenarios isn't my way.

I hope you get help.

OP, I've had a fair amount of anxiety about this, but every day our understanding of this virus grows.

It caught us off guard but science will catch up. Medics will also be learning more and companies like the F1 team will roll up their sleeves to help.

I think if we can see the situation in Italy and then Spain improve (and it looks that the former is edging that way) this will help.

@SchadenfreudePersonified I forgot to mention that. You are spot on BSE in cattle and scrapies in sheep were both caused by feeding them unnatural animal-based diets that contained neurological material.

There have been strange viruses in the past, like the sweating sickness that had intermittent outbreaks during the 16th century, causing almost certain death within about a week of getting symptoms. It vanished without a trace and no one is sure what it was. However, the number of new and distinctive viruses over the last century has been large and growing.

Viruses tend to become less harmful if they mutate, not more.

You're probably right, op.

I'll dig myself a hole in the garden as there will probably be no one else to do it.

Then I won't care any more.

Night night .

OP the virus isn't that dangerous overall, but it IS easily spread and leads to complications for SOME that puts them in hospital. Those numbers are a tiny amount of the population, but still have the potential to overwhelm the NHS, hence lockdown to stop too many people getting it at any one time, and the shielding of the vulnerable, to ideally completely stop them getting it, especially while services are stretched.

I hope you can understand that and I hope it helps lessen your anxiety.

@Shitsgettingcrazy no I didn’t. Same as the 100’s of other oriole who post their feelings on here don’t stop to think how their posts may affect mine.

How it will end is almost entirely dependent on how seriously people take these lockdown measures and social distancing as a whole. I think the virus can be contained by June (although it could be July or August because it has taken China 3 months to contain the virus, and they had/have stricter measures than us) and that less than 10,000 people will die. I think it’s unlikely to be more than that number and within 2-3 weeks we should be able to see what the effects of this lockdown have been. Regardless of what the effects are, however, we should definitely extend it until June. If the lockdown isn’t extended or is relaxed in some way, then cases will obviously increase and we will see many more deaths. It will hinder the economy in the long-term because of the financial strain on the NHS. Overall, it would be much better from a health and economical perspective to continue with a lockdown until it can be seen across the country that there is a significant decrease in cases and that each person who does have the virus is self-isolating away from other people. This virus needs to be able to spread from person to person to live, so stopping that spread is the only way to contain it. We seriously need to look at how we will handle people coming into the country as well, as that will be the main danger with regard to the virus potentially spreading again. The virus got here because of people traveling abroad and coming back to this country, so if we were to contain it and see it come back, that’s how it would happen. Hopefully within 12-18 months a vaccine will have been created, but if cases diminish globally through widespread containment that may not necessarily happen.