How long do you think we can tolerate this lockdown?

[TeethingAgain]

I know it's necessary and for thy e greater good, but how long do you think society will tolerate it before (more) people start flouting the rules? Are there psychologists who the government are consulting about how long humans can be expected to live like this? I know people say we are just being asked to sit on our sofas but that's a very simplistic way of looking at a gargantuan change in lifestyle and social habits which are engrained within us.

I think people could manage 8-12 weeks and I think the toll on mental health will start to outweigh the physical health benefits.

@Hamiltoes

Clearly I'm not talking about the people on the front line, am i....

Most people complaining about the lock in and moaning they cant see there friends, blah blah , ARE the ones who are sitting on their sofa!!!

How long do you think we can tolerate this lockdown?

We are really fortunate as a species to be intelligent and social with opposable thumbs and an understanding of science and belief. We have it within our hands to go on forever.

But I'm giving it to Saturday. PM.

What day is it today?

@starlightgazers the 0.2% is on the worldometer site and also on BBC news etc. I'll attach a graph below.

@starlightgazers where are you getting the 3-4% deathrate? Is that for older population/ those with health issues?

@Blizzardwhizard I understood you weren't talking about people on the front line - I'm not on the front line.

It's still true that my experience hasn't been netflix wine and chocolate, though.

It's been stuck in a tiny flat with no garden. Homeschooling two children as a lone parent. Trying to keep a business running with not enough hours in the day and a steady decline in income. Worrying about how I'm going to pay the bills in a couple of months if this continues. Winding myself up with how I'm going to feed my family since shops are now banning children - and as a consequence single parents.

My children are worried. Their whole lives have been turned upside down, practically in the space of a weekend. I'm struggling with mental health at the moment - I've been in ICU followed by an extended period on a ward where I wasn't physically allowed to leave and had to rely on others to bring me food etc. This is bringing back horrible memories.

And after all that, even I can see I'm actually one of the LUCKY ONES.

There are many, many people (including those on the front line, those trapped with abusers, those who have lost their jobs etc) who are worse off.

But yeah, it's just sitting on your sofa with wine and chocolate right 👍🏻

where are you getting the 3-4% deathrate? Is that for older population/ those with health issues?

From the WHO, who estimate the overall death rate to be around 3.4%.

The known case/ fatality rate in the UK is currently around 5.26%.. Obviously that may well be skewed due to a lack of widespread testing, but by the same token, it will also be skewed as it currently only includes those who died in hospital, not in the community.

the 0.2% is on the worldometer site and also on BBC news etc. I'll attach a graph below

The WHO are the experts on pandemics, they are also politically neutral, unlike the BBC. Their predicted death rate for the first SARS was pretty close to the eventual rate seen. Worldometer simply quote secondary information, in this case it was probably lifted from the BBC claim if it is exactly the same.

Well if the Police keep going like they are, I think there is going to be a public backlash very soon. Whilst there are specific laws over this, some are trying to enforce advice and that's a very different thing and not enforceable.

As the days go on, I'm seeing more people around here going out as normal. A neighbour here went out yesterday at 8am and didn't come back until about 4pm and I know for a fact he's not working as they were sent home, he's just had enough.

@Hamiltoes

As i said, I'm talking about those ones complaining about how life is so difficult and so boring, and can i go for a walk with my ball....

And with regards to you as a single parent with your children, ofcourse you are a exception and the shops will allow you and your children in.

I wish i was one of those people who was complaining, as i have kidney failure and i am so worried of actually catching this virus and dying

My relationship is falling apart in front of my eyes and i havent seen my family for ages, Weve already lost 2 loved one s this last week and we cant attend their funerals and i dont know where all this will end

Weve all got issues.

My comment about the sofa and the wine wasn't about you.

So move on

As the days go on, I'm seeing more people around here going out as normal

Then they are selfish twats.

know for a fact he's not working as they were sent home, he's just had enough

In 10 days? Pathetic.

Weve all got issues.

My comment about the sofa and the wine wasn't about you.

So move on

Then who was it about you've contradicted yourself.

Mostly everyone I know is suffering to some degree or another. I don't know anyone who is living the netflix life at the moment. Maybe if you live in a wealthy area where everyone has a garden and a nice home - but even they aren't immune from job losses or having to home school children or the lack of fucking toilet roll and pasta.

So we are agreed everyone is suffering and everyone has issues.

The thread is about how long people can last under such circumstances.

Someone made a point that it's particularly difficult when your world feels like it's falling apart and the threat of death is A) invisible (there are no bombs falling from the sky and B) has only a tiny chance of actually affecting you.

As you have health issues that doesn't really apply to you, does it?

@Hamiltoes

There are a hell of alot of idiots complaining on here and other forums and people out in the street, on bikes, playing with a ball, walking in groups to the park all together, having bbq's....
All moaning.

I stand by my original post.

As much as your problems are yours, mine are mine.

People need to quit complaining.
People are dying. Its very very simple!!!!!!!!

I wont be replying to you anymore!

@starlightgazers I think we are talking about the same figures?

The graph I posted, I think that was from Imperial College.

But with the stats on Worldometers (I'll attach them) if you add up the death rates and divide by 9, you get an average of 3.97% which is about in line with what the WHO reports.

I quoted 0.2% in an earlier post because we were discussing if people would start "taking their chances with the virus".

Personally, if I had a 90% chance of financial ruin and homelessness, as well as all the related stress associated for months on end VS my own 0.2% chance of death... I think I would take my chances.

If I was 70 and had an 8% of death then I may think differently.

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@starlightgazers

It's up to them, I didn't say that I agreed with what they are doing, just what I've seen.

People need to quit complaining.
People are dying. Its very very simple!!!!!!!!

You don't need to reply, but you can read my response to that in my last post.

Yes people are dying. It's really sad. It's also really hard to be faced with the threat of financial ruin and becoming homeless.

Just because people are dying doesn't mean we can't complain or feel unhappy about the things we might lose.

Particularly when a lot of the people who are going to lose the most are also the least at risk from actually dying 🤷🏻‍♀️

I think that it's bearable if you're not alone but if you are and not seeing anyone at all then six months is just not doable. It's fine if you're with your family.

If it goes on indefinitely, you are going to see more people with the "sod this" attitude and will carry on as best they can.

The economic impact of going on indefinitely is going to be massive, it's bad enough now.

When more and more people start losing their jobs (it's bad enough now), unrest is going to really start.

I'll have to admit it was fine until now... (almost 3 weeks), but I'm starting to have days when I can't take it anymore. I hope it will be over soon enough

But people are dying and have died from all sorts of things constantly - like malaria in Africa. Nobody here would ever make those sorts of sacrifices for them; only for their own family and friends. Some people's family and friends are not at risk so how can you blame them for not being as worried about the whole thing as somebody whose family is vulnerable?

It's hard. The stupid "Netflix and wine" comment is so naive and ignorant. The thing that causes MH to unravel very quickly is being unemployed and not having any sort of routine. I fell into a pit of a depression when I quit a job I hated, only to realise that sitting at home is worse - you lose motivation, hope and all normality. And that was with coffee shops open! There have already been about 4 murders/suicides just in one day yesterday. Plus the fact that austerity and poverty kill a hell of a lot more, especially young people who have lost everything, and the people who have gone from building a successful business to losing everything.

My mum said to me yesterday - I would rather die than have my children live through what I did (10 years in a country which had gone from having a nice standard of living, to a totally collapsed economy with tanks on the streets).

I almost feel like we should set up a Houseparty chat for anyone who is lonely and struggling with this

Not much longer! I'm sick at the moment so lying low, if I could prove it's coronavirus then after I'm better (already day 7) I would get very frustrated being kept in as I'll be immune - we should get a pass once we have it!

All of the people saying they will not be able to cope another day, week, month etc - I think you will find that you will cope. When we have no choice about it we generally cope. Truly, what is the alternative? You may find that you have two choices: cope while in lockdown or don't cope while in lockdown. The third choice, the government changes their mind, is probably not happening for awhile.

And all of the posters talking about push back and people not taking it anymore... what does that actually look like? If that means we slowly each start taking a second walk that probably won't have any impact on anything. If that means looting supermarkets etc than obviously the response will be much more draconian.

We are in lockdown. It's going to go on awhile. There is literally nothing you can do to change that reality, so you might as well focus your energies on making it ok. I was told off on another thread for saying we need to be resilient but we do. The vast majority of us can and will survive lockdown

The official figures on number of Covid-19 deaths are already reducing. I think the government will ease off the lockdown soon. In reality the virus will be allowed to do it's worse. The (sounds good on the face of it) useless package of financial support for the workforce will mean a big surge in unemployment. The NHS will be brought to its knees, perhaps fatally. The elderly population will be decimated. But we will be able to get back to work and the economy will recover. Oh, and of course, last but not least, the stock market will bounce back.

Due to my mental health my lifestyle has barely changed. I go to work, do my weekly shop then I'm in the house the rest of the time anyway, I am a gamer and have DP and the cats for company. Me and DP are doing fine but we are both key workers. I could do this for another 6 months.