A question for Anti - Vaxxer

[Okki]

This is not meant to be goady at all

But has this pandemic changed your thinking about vaccines. Can you see what vaccines have prevented - a hundred years ago replace corona virus with smallpox or any of the highly contagious diseases which wiped out families. Do you not think we need vaccines to prevent this sort of thing happening on a regular basis?

I was thinking exactly this. Interested in responses...

Do you not think we need vaccines to prevent this sort of thing happening on a regular basis?

Sorry, but how do you think we could have possibly vaccinated against this happening? You can’t vaccinate against something that doesn’t yet exist.

@LatteLoverLovesLattes but you can when you do know they exist. Which is kind of the point.

Sorry, but how do you think we could have possibly vaccinated against this happening? You can’t vaccinate against something that doesn’t yet exist.

This doesn’t happen with those other diseases because we have vaccinations. This won’t happen again with covid 19 because we will have a vaccine. It’s happening now because as a new disease we don’t yet have a vaccine. Therefore it’s pretty hard to defend the anti-vax position: the whole world is desperately waiting for a vaccine to solve this mess.

Very interested in responses to this ...

I suspect it will be tumbleweed from the antivaxxers, OP. If a Corona virus vaccine was magically produced tomorrow, would any of them genuinely refuse it for themselves and their offspring, I wonder?

The anti-vax brigade have gone very, very quiet.

The anti-vaxxers just rely on everyone else being vaccinated and they know it. They aren't anti other people getting it. They just don't want to 'harm' their children. Now they can't rely on everyone else to keep their loved ones safe from disease.

As with any be vaccine i would weigh up the pros and cons..,if I felt I was not in a vulnerable group I would wait and see what side effects this vaccine has...which will only come out in time. Every medical intervention has possible side effects including vaccines. As with everything I will look at all the information available to me and choose what is the right thing at that time for me and my family. I don't consider myself anti vaxx...i simply like to know what is being injected into me / my children.

I'm interested to hear the responses too.

I told my mum the other day that she should get the vaccine once it's available to the public. She is 70 this year and is diabetic, has Crohn's disease and has been fighting cancer on and off or over 18 years now. Despite recent events, she doesn't want the vaccine and I've been very upset by her frankly, ignorant response. I fear she will never stop being anti-vaxx .

If they produced a vaccine tomorrow would I take it?? No because it would be very new ands I would be vvery concearned about how it is tested and long term effects. But if it had been around for 20 ears and had scientifically and thically been tested and was deemed to be safe then I would.

Well, if they are anything like M.I.A., they would choose death over the vaccine (www.vulture.com/2020/03/mia-anti-vaxxer-twitter-coronavirus.html).

I have an anti vaxx friend on Facebook, she also has lots of anti vaxx friends so I can see lots of their posts.

They haven't changed their minds at all. Apparently -
CV is no worse than flu.
Caused by 5G masts so 'they' invented CV to cover things up.
A trojan horse to bring about a police state.
Invented by 'big pharma' to make money and get government to force vaccinations on the public against their will.
Agenda 21 (?)
And any other crackpot shite they can think of.

Not an anti vaxxer but a couldnt-vaxxer

DC2 had a life threatening reaction to her first injection so the doctor said she shouldnt have any more. The others had their first three, under hospital supervision just in case but they didnt have their MMR. It was agreed that because (at the time) herd immunity was at 98% irrc locally, they would be ok without it. Thinking back, that covered their first three as well but hey ho..... As it turned out, take up dropped to 70 odd % thanks to that fucking Wakefied idiot. (Was that his name? you know who I mean)

I am very worried. I wish anti vaxxers realised that they are not just putting their own children at risk, but other children who cant have MMR too. None of them have had the flu jab either, just in case with GP agreement.

As it is, DD is an ODP so had to have her MMR in seperate injections under clinical conditions for each one just in case. It was taken very very seriously.

@SugarSugarShimmy

The OP asked

Do you not think we need vaccines to prevent this sort of thing happening on a regular basis?

‘this sort of thing’ is a pandemic of a novel virus - so you can vax everyone, for everything known to mankind and you still won’t ‘prevent this kind of thing happening’.

LatteLoverLovesLattes but you can when you do know they exist. Which is kind of the point

THIS is a NOVEL virus

Words matter

What's the point when most people will have had the virus by time a vaccine is produced. Most of us will be immune by then anyway. And vaccine injury is REAL. A pp poster has attested to the fact with their DC having a life threatening reaction. It's really annoying how being genuinely concerned about what you are injecting into yourself/child is met with such backlash.

This corona vaccine won't have had years of testing either. I'd be cautious.

The virus won't be novel forever.

Every virus was once new but like smallpox those with a vaccination can be eradicated.

@FTMF30 then why are we still vaccinating against measles?

@little

FGS obviously Covid 19 won’t be novel forever, but ‘what is happening’ is a Pandemic of A NOVEL Virus

VAX against what we know, will NOT stop another Pandemic if a different NOVEL virus

As I said WORDS MATTER and the OP asked Do you not think we need vaccines to prevent this sort of thing happening on a regular basis

No it won’t prevent this sort of thing happening

@LittleLittleLittle What I meant was that, by time a vaccine is produced, most people will have had the virus so will be pointless and a waste for most of us to have it. Vaccine production, in this case, is reactive so most of the damage will have been done.
Vaccines won't 'prevent this sort of thing happening' as we didn't see it coming, nor will we see some other virus coming to PREVENT it from happening. It's damage control rather than preventing. I'm not going to get into a pro v anti vax debate. It was in direct response to the OPs post.

Anti Vaxers are inherently selfish - it is only about the effect on their child. As long as the majority of the population are vaccinated then they are safe to not bare the small risks any vaccine or indeed any medical or dental procedure carries. They don’t care about abstract other families or providing a societal herd immunity to protect the vulnerable, only about themselves and their child.

@FTMF30 most people had measles before the vaccines against it were discovered, yet they still vaccinate against measles. So your argument doesn't make sense.

The point is that we won't all be immune because that never happens. If it did, there would never have been a need to invent vaccines. Diseases would have just died out after everyone caught them and natural selection would have applied and only the strong lived.

As has been shown by the recent outbreaks of measles and TB, to name just two, the moment the uptake of vaccines drop, the diseases come right back. Herd immunity only protects people if the majority of the herd have been vaccinated.

DD1 has multiple allergies and getting her vaccinated as a child was a nightmare. She was one of the first of the horrifically allergic generation and frankly, the doctors knew absolutely fuck-all about it. But I still had her vaccinated, as her immune system is really, really shit. Ironically, it was DD2 who contracted a mild dose of measles before her jabs were completed and believe me, she was horrendously ill with it.

Would I get the vaccine against CV-19? Quite probably. What I do know is that I am not in any of the groups who would get it first because of their health conditions. After that, once it becomes generally available? We'll all know a lot more about the virus by then, but it would appear - at the moment - to be very serious and as I get older, I can expect my immune system to be less effective than it is right now.

I think that anti-vaxxers will always be anti-vax, because they feel it makes them 'special' and 'unique' and so there is little point in talking to them as they are generally too stupid to actually listen and understand what you are saying to them.

The anti vaxxers I annoyingly have on FB are coming up with some pathetic conspiracy that this has been created so the pharmaceutical industry can push the vaccine agenda. I have no doubt that the pharma industry is rubbing its hands in glee as they can be the most vile of industries but FFS. Oh apparently 5G has also triggered CV how else would it happen. You can't argue with stupid though. Funnily they are so obsessed with not following the crowd and disbelieving main stream medi yet are like little sheep with each other and their 'alternative'view. It's like a religion where they have been brainwashed.