Am I being a 'Karen'

[babydogandi]

I'm part of a Facebook group to do with dogs. After the announcement yesterday someone posted that if they will still be taking their dog out 2-3 times a day because it's unfair not to. I said that this is wrong because this is deliberately flaunting the rules, I've been jumped on saying that they will get multiple people in the household if it becomes essential so their one except use a day is used for the additional walks. To me to keep people safe I said that I would've thought your hours exercise should be taken as a family unit to stop interacting with other people depending on what time you walked. I've been told by admins that until further notice there is nothing wrong with walking your dogs 2-3 times a day and that I need to stop being a 'Karen'. Am I understanding this thing wrong? I don't understand deny people are finding it so hard to stay at home. Dogs adapt and I'm sure they'd rather you be alive then dead because you didn't follow the rules 🤷🏼‍♀️

Jeez - RULES RULES RULES. The government had to put some sort of limit on it for the hard of thinking, but obviously, if you take a 20 min walk in London, you're far more likely to come into contact with people than on a 2 hour walk in an isolated rural location. FFS, people can't seem to think for themselves.

This is me:

Probable cv diagnosis

A shielding 12 week isolation letter, AND with
2 young adults at home

And now my name vilified on social media.

What a fucking week.

Get over yourselves, using people's name as an insult.

I live rurally, walked the dogs that normally get three walks a day, once. The rules are easy to understand and if we all do...oh but X, y, z. It gets ridiculous.

Oh ffs.. you're being a Karen

Stop interfering

'These are rules!!!!'... aright Karen. Get a life.

Not saying it's acceptable, but I'm puzzled. Why is so much fuss being made about 'Karen', when 'Wendy' has been a nasty piece of work on MN since time immemorial (or at least since I joined) with never a voice raised in 'her' defence!

Not seen any official guidance to limit to an hour.

Completely correctly. But the reason we are in this situation is because people would not follow polite common sense suggestions to stay at home. Its common sense!

If pet owners or fitness freaks keep thinking they can go out as often as they want for as long as they want, spreading germs, then we will have to impose military law and force people to stay inside.

#covidiots

They’re not breaking the rules at all if there are several members in the household who take the dog out separately, you don’t have to take your ‘daily exercise’ session together. You suggest that encountering 3 people together would be better than the risk of encountering 3 people individually- that doesn’t really make any sense (you could argue encountering 3 people together who are all shedding virus would put you at higher risk than bumping into one person who’s shedding- I think that’s probably bollocks too by the way but could be argued either way). As long as they’re walking somewhere isolated, it’s completely fine.

WatcherintheRye

Being a self-righteous gob-shite isn't a female characteristic. It's just described differently in men - pompous, arsey, jobsworths.

The difference is power and fear. Fewer women who behave like this are in positions of power, and no-one is scared of them, so they're easily, safely mocked.

Plenty of mediocre men are in petty positions of power and when arsey men complain, people jump and mollify, to avoid aggression.

...But men are blunter in their characterisation of other men. Would you rather be described as a gobshite than a Karen?

Yes you are. Who wants to walk out as a family? No one right now, besides that’s more risky, taking up most of pavement.
Of course if you live rural you are much less at risk walking. The government didn’t say how long your once per day exercise could be. Some people will take that to be a two hour walk and others 20 mins. I was using mine to pop to local shop and get bits but now i’m going less and staying longer to get more.

@OntheWaves40 as I've explained a number of times my OP didn't read right. I'm talking about people who are personally taking 2-3 walks a day. I am aware that the family thing is MY preference and it was said in the context of the conversation as such. I never said people as to walk as a family just said it made sense to me. My annoyance is with people deliberately breaking the rules

OP, as I said upthread, entering into a discussion about what interpretation of the rules makes sense to you, is part of the problem. Because it feeds the idea that personal interpretations are good and useful.

You must recognise, surely, that if you mix a legitimate point in with a lot of speculative nonsense, people will struggle to separate the two.

I know people love their dogs but dogs won’t die from having to go to the toilet in the garden for a while and only having a walk once a day but people WILL die if you continue to keep taking them out for walks and spreading the virus around. Dogs are so important to some families I get that but in the heat of things I think people are far more important so I hope every dog owner is playing by the rules here.

I think it's better for family members to take exercise separately unless they are accompanying young children as it's much easier to pass a single person at a distance than a group of people.

Our dog will be going out twice because both DS and I will walk him. If I lived alone he would go out once.

@lottiegarbanzo the conversation went as follows

OP - I will be taking my dog out 2-3 times a day as no one can stop me and no one will know about it
Me - government guidelines state you should only be going out once a day
(This went back and fourth - first Karen is mentioned)
Me - for myself we are going out as a family as I'm hoping to limit our contact with different people. To me it would make sense if it was implemented this way but I understand at the moment it is not
OP- I will be taking my dog out myself 2-3 times a day off lead for normal walks otherwise it is cruel.

@shinynewapple2020 I understand this. For us we have a 9mo so it makes sense for us to go together if we all want to go out. My worry is that if you all go out separately and meet different people then you double the chances of bringing something home 🤷🏼‍♀️

Can someone explain how viruses work and how long they live on surfaces?

So you go for a walk in the country and see nobody closer than say, 50 metres. Can the virus travel in the air to them? Are we shedding it all the time - does it land on the ground to be picked up on someone’s shoes so they get it when they take their shoes off? What is the actual risk of going out?

Be a Karen, it's warranted. These people think they are above the law and are putting others lifes at risk.
Because of eejits like this a more severe lockdown will come soon which will affect all of us. Their ignorance is putting others in danger

Yes OP, exactly as I said. You lost all focus, legitimacy and people's attention, when you started sharing speculations.

@lottiegarbanzo I was called a 'Karen' well before I said what I would be doing! Can't see how it's even relevant in that case as they didn't know I was going to say that🤷🏼‍♀️ why can't people just follow the rules why do people think they are above everyone else and can get away with it? It's 3 weeks (for now) it's the same amount of time that some people have a holiday, spend this time with your family, teach your dog a new trick. Get through It without having to leave the house every 5 seconds because you think you are immune

Yup, some people are arses. Always were, always will be. Most people don't like being told what to do. Many people are far more willing to put down women to their faces, than men (who they put down behind their backs instead).

Nothing new under the sun.

The difference is power and fear. Fewer women who behave like this are in positions of power, and no-one is scared of them, so they're easily, safely mocked.

I'm not sure I agree, given that the whole meme is based on middle aged/middle class women brandishing their power over retail staff by 'complaining to the manager'. In this instance they do hold power because the waitress in question will often be a low earner fearing for her job in a situation where 'the customer is always right.

Women control the large majority of retail spending and so in this instance it is Karen who holds the power over said retail staff (her husband is probably at work).