Am I being a 'Karen'

[babydogandi]

I'm part of a Facebook group to do with dogs. After the announcement yesterday someone posted that if they will still be taking their dog out 2-3 times a day because it's unfair not to. I said that this is wrong because this is deliberately flaunting the rules, I've been jumped on saying that they will get multiple people in the household if it becomes essential so their one except use a day is used for the additional walks. To me to keep people safe I said that I would've thought your hours exercise should be taken as a family unit to stop interacting with other people depending on what time you walked. I've been told by admins that until further notice there is nothing wrong with walking your dogs 2-3 times a day and that I need to stop being a 'Karen'. Am I understanding this thing wrong? I don't understand deny people are finding it so hard to stay at home. Dogs adapt and I'm sure they'd rather you be alive then dead because you didn't follow the rules 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Glitterandglue they have confirmed it can live on their fur. Obviously then when you pet them it comes onto you. They can spread that way. Hence why dogs should be kept on leads to stop them going up to people

To me to keep people safe I said that I would've thought your hours exercise should be taken as a family unit to stop interacting with other people depending on what time you walked

This is why you are a Karen. You are completely making up extra rules that you think make sense in the same breath as telling people off for not following guidelines. You are not an expert, and what you propose may be far more harmful than one person going out twice a day and keeping their distance.

@Haffiana as I e said above on 3 sleep rate posts my OP didn't come across what I meant to say. I understand this is my personal opinion and at no point did I try and enforce it onto them. I said after I had already been called Karen that personally we'd go out as a family rather than separately I didn't say people needed to do that same. I also highlighted that I was aware this wasn't the guidance it made sense to me. What I am talking about is people taking their dogs out personally more than once a day

We are ALL essential workers in this house .. Nurse, TA, Community carer and Delivery driver. Walking together is not even possible due to overlapping shifts/hours. So one of us does a walk in the morning. Someone else does a late walk at night. The other two are too knackered by the end of work to exercise, and one is an asthmatic type 1 diabetic so he's not going anywhere.

Just doing our best to minimise risk, follow guidelines and not get into arguments with anyone!

@babydogandi walking as a couple with the dog wouldn’t work for me. Hubby takes dog out on a longer walk through the woods in the daytime while he’s home. I take him of an evening for a little stroll round the block. I’m not physically fit enough for a longer walk and if I want to go for a stroll I’d rather have the dog with me!

@Thepigeonsarecoming as I've said my OP did not come across right. My point was supposed to be about a single person taking their dog out more than once. I simply added my own opinion of what I will be doing. I'm well aware this isn't possible for everyone and that it's not government guidelines

gliterandglue is correct, there’s no evidence as yet. They might be weak passive carriers but nobody knows yet either way. The soles of our shoes might be better carriers than the pets’ fur or saliva. We don’t actually know that either.
Best thing to do is to stay at home. If it is essential to go out disinfect the shoes and everything else. If you do decide to take dog for a very short walk, wipe his feet properly when coming back home. No idea what else would be reasonably safe and practical with the knowledge we have as of today. Ideally we should not be out and about at all. I’d rather have a slightly overweight and bored dog than killing people including my family and friends.

Rules are rules. I don't care what esoteric variation happens to make sense subjectively 'to you'. Nor does anyone else.

People thinking primarily about what makes sense to and for themselves, is the cause of most idiotic rule-breaking. Don't feed that heaving quagmire of self-involved nonsense by getting into discussions with people about what rule-variant would make most sense to you.

Each person is allowed outside to exercise once a day. Alone, or with other members of their household. As you know.

Bloody dog owners again....

babydogandi where has this been confirmed? I haven’t found any reference (or actual) study or controlled observation about this anywhere online and I’ve been concerned about this from day one. We really need to know but there simply isn’t enough conclusive evidence as far as I understand. What about their paws? Does anyone know anything? Please share.

I have an elderly greyhound who is on diuretics, she needs to go out to pee 4 or 5 times a day - she can no longer get into our garden as it is up steep steps and she has arthritis. I have to take her out, but it is literally a few metres until she pees then home again. I have not touched anything nor met anyone, I can’t do anything else.

@Branster it was in one of the news channels when they have the people in to talk. They said that at the moment as evidence shows it can live on surfaces for hours it would therefore strongly suggest that there is no difference between a door handle and a dogs fur that has direct contact.

Look up the difference between 'flaunt' and 'flout', it is quite considerable.

"I am special, I own a pet". You do realise just because you aren't interacting with other people does not mean you aren't spreading the virus.

The whole point is to stay at home as much a possible, not to find loop holes in the rules so you can spread your germs around.

So selfish. Boris is going to have to BAN everyone from leaving their home just to 'walk' their pets, only let one person from a family out once every 3 days to get food.

Human lives are MORE important than animals.

OP. You'll never win. The FB group are worrying about their dogs. You're worrying about people's very existence. Step away from the stupid for your own sanity. When this nightmare is over remember their response to a deadly pandemic. Time for some new friends?

@babydogandi Fair play, that makes sense re: transmission via fur. It is meant to survive for less time on soft surfaces rather than hard but that's obviously still a risk of transmission. Just not so much about it being a dog as about it being a surface...

Karens are real people and it’s a misogynistic (and ageist) trope to use a common generational woman’s name as an insult.

Yes and in particular parodies women of that age group who have reached the age of not accepting bullshit. Social class overtones usualy as well.

they dont seem to relaise that trying to 'game the system' at a time like this is not a good look

Sorry, but you do sound like a bit of a Karen to me ....

Thank you babydogandi.
As much as I knew which is still good and bad I guess.
The trouble is they only published findings (not actual research, but it’s good enough for now) about 4 types of surfaces plus air in a controlled environment. It could be that (if?) they looked at other surfaces the findings were inconclusive within this particular analysis or in other labs.
Following this, human hair could potentially be a carrier. Touch hair with contaminated hands, so potentially transfer some of the viruses that might be on hands, go to sleep within the period of time the virus is still active whilst on the hair, it transfers to pillow and so on. I know it sounds bonkers and over thought and with each consequent transmission the virus would reduce in numbers and as time passes it would also become inactive but in other countries they advise people to shower when returning home (that might be more to do with the risk of capturing the virus through droplets though as opposed to touching contaminated surfaces).
No idea what’s happening 😔

Your suggestion, OP, of going out as a family is good, but unfortunately not all families are happy families and they are facing a big enough challenge as it is, being confined together day in day out.

Oh, can someone confirm we are only allowed 1 hour - I saw this mentioned on this thread. Last night they said it was once a day, no time limit specified.
We mustn’t forget this is not a compulsory outing, we really need to stay at home.

One exercise eg walk per family member but no obligation to go together. One may want to walk, one cycle etc. I went out this afternoon when DD was online schooling. She went out early evening. Dog went with us both.

We have two sausage dogs. One is full of the beaniest beans, the other is more a more normal level of dog. Usually go out for a quick morning trot then a late afternoon/early evening 'proper' walk.

We've been working in the conservatory today with the doors to the garden open. Garden is a decent size, so thought we'd see how they fared bombing around in that all day, just so we knew for if god forbid, we were ill/unable to walk them.

They had the run of the house and garden, and raced around from 9am until about 4pm, bouncing, chasing each other, wrecking the grass, causing havoc and generally having a lovely time. They even found a stick (I might have helped).

They had their dinner at 6pm and have both been sparko since, except for when I rustled the Hobnob packet. It's clearly not a walk replacement, but judging from the snores, they're knackered enough 🤷🏻‍♀️

We're obviously planning to take them on a walk a day. But as the weather improves, they'll certainly be turfed out in the garden a lot more and the two walks reduced to one!

Where is the max hour coming from. Not seen that? I'm in countryside so exercised as usual in empty field.