Why do teachers still have jobs?

[StrangeTimes]

So my husband has just lost his job from next week. He's a coach driver. My best mate has lost her job from this week, she used to work in a cinema. I have many friends now out of work and desperately trying to get jobs in supermarkets.

However teachers will not be working now for many months, so how come they're not being made redundant?

I'm not being goady I genuinely want to know. I'm glad they are still being paid, I'd hate for them to be in our position. But why?

Are other jobs "safe" like this too?

Teachers and support staff still need to be employed so everything is in place when schools do reopen.
Also government needs to lead by example.
And to be fair the cost of furloughing them and then recruiting wouldnt amount to any cost saving.
However I dont think teachers are still doing the same workload as when they are in school based on A) what my friends who are teachers have told me and B) the work my dc have been set by their teachers. But nonetheless I think the government is right to retain staff, it would benefit noone to lay them off.

A neighbour in my street is a secondary teacher and DH has seen her going for regular long walks and bike rides during the ‘school day’.

How dare she! ....🤣🤣🤣 Some comments on here are unbelievable.

Are you happy being married to a man who apparently obsessively tracks the movement of his neighbours?

🤣

I think it might be useful to share exactly what the National Education Union have told teachers not to do while schools are closed:

1. Teachers should not be asked to personally contact their students

1. Teachers should not live-stream lessons from their homes, nor engage in any video-calling

1. Schools should suggest activities that children can complete on their own

1. Tasks that require no access to technology are preferable

1. If schools have systems set up for online lessons, these should be kept to a minimum

1. Teachers should not be expected to carry out marking or grading of pupils’ work

So there should be no contact with pupils, no online lessons, no use of technology, no marking, and children should be doing independent work.

Remind me again what teachers are actually going to be doing for the next 6 months and why they are still being paid full wages?

stormyclouds why is all that? I do wonder, my friends in other countries are all getting personal calls from teachers, loads of work set... We're at an outstanding primary and have had literally just a few links as suggestions.

My DC's teachers are fantastic and dedicated (and btw should definitely be paid and kept on), so it's not about ability or enthusiasm... But I'd love at least a little help, or some activities that might keep the kids learning and maybe let me get some work done!

Imagine the time and cost to recruit and rehire.

Personal calls to students and video calling / live streaming are all a big no because of safeguarding. That's pretty obvious.

Activities children can complete on their own as opposed to needing 1 to 1 communication with teacher or needing a parent to do it with them, again obvious.

Tasks requiring no access to technology are preferable again obvious - even in the nice middle class area where I live people are posting on SM about how hard it is when two parents and two children are all working from home and the family have one laptop.

Teachers are having to come up with lessons that children can do with all these restraints. The better schools I work with have all set up MS teams so children and teachers can have group discussions in the open with no room for misunderstanding of intention or mal intent.

However I'm sure you will still take it as evidence teachers are all home in the garden sunning themselves.

Teachers' Pay and Conditions.
better than all those others you mentioned.

Don't forget that us teachers won't just be setting work for kids each day. I have to contact each pupil by email individually twice a week with work for them specifically, as well as the work and links etc I'm sending out each morning. I'm doing their reports, setting their targets. This time is being used for training, reviewing policies, rewriting documents, amending yearly plans- this doesn't all necessarily need to be done in school hours but we're working....

Before we broke up, we were teaching as normal, albeit remotely together with report writing, planning, marking, data collection, communicating with students via conference calls and keeping parents informed of students not engaging ( very few). We are now planning for remote learning for next term. Business as usual.

LOL at the dumb OP and her I didn’t realise drivel.

Stormyclouds I suppose they will be on full pay because 1) they’re still technically working and 2) who the F will teach the kids when this is all over? Jesus some of you are beyond imbecilic 🤯

I think it might be useful to share that stormy has posted that exact thing in at least three different threads. I smell axe grinding.

They ARE working. Jeeez do you not have kids? If not, then you know fuck all about it. If you do have yours not been set any work?

So dense I could sink a ship with your post.

I suggest that all teachers stay off these threads - I doubt they are good for our mental health at all. Some posters genuinely do not like profession, which is a great shame, given the essential service we provide over many years to their offspring.

For posters asking why social services aren't dealing with vunerable children incurred to come into school due to concerns about their home life.... Our LA social services it's on its knees, we are sandwiches between two outstanding LA social services dept s but our Social services simply cannot cope with their volumes and often effectively b hand back to schools what are, in comparison to other cases they are dealing with, what they deem acceptable issues, often commenting school are doing such a good job there is nothing further they could offer so nothing progresses. It's no t social services fault, they are on their knees, it's not b school is fault, they get stuck with something that they should be able to refer on, so in additn to key workers child care, it is care being offered where they may be no other support given to n that pupil or family.

Plus, for all B the "why are teachers getting paid when n they are not working?" bollocks... In addition to setting remote work, preparing to address massive attainment gaps that are going to appear when children return, who do you think is preparing suggested GCSE and ALevel grades for pupils to progress???

When government sector picks up, they need to be ready for work. I work for bus and rail company and I am so grateful government supports our business. But our services have been limited and we are on stand by. That’s why we still work. I am feeling so sorry for people who lost their jobs. It’s not easy.

PurpleDaisies yes you can't help but wonder if there's a back story. I've seen two of the three threads but managed to avoid the third. It all reflects more on the poster than the teachers really.

Still planning lessons, supporting the students via a help desk and providing feedback on the work they have done.

Would you like me to stop doing that and just take 80% of my salary OP?

Notice you haven’t commented again!

I'm an A Level teacher and I am definitely still working. I am doing online classes with my college students, still studying what we had planned to do in this time. Still setting them work to complete for me to mark.
It does upset me that people thing teachers get all this 'time off'. I'm still monitoring my vulnerable students and reporting issues to safeguarding. It's as important now more than ever a lot of young people have mental health issues/feel vulnerable at home

@Stormy

I was at work today - 8:30:5:30pm. Looking after the children of key workers. I will be in every day this week apart from Friday.

It's my holiday at the moment and I'm not actually getting paid to be in. I will have a 7 day non contact break incase I develop symptoms and go back in again if not and continue to do this for the foreseeable.

I am also personally contacting every child in my class on a weekly basis - including during the holiday for those who are particularly vulnerable.

I have spent the last 14 days solidly preparing videos, online learning, paper packs and dropping off books to various families.

I am on constant email call with work and parents until well into the evening each night.

That's what I'm doing and continue to be doing for the next how long.

Teachers are still working & doing a great job, all online schooling also taking turns to school keyworkers children.
my childrens school's have been amazing setting work each day also extra work ,video's to watch takes us 5 hrs a day to get through it. Teachers are working very hard
Why should they lose their jobs? bit stupid OP ,our kids have lost enough why would we sack teachers? We will need them for our children when this is over, i think enough people have lost their jobs

DH is a Head. His school have an online portal and staff are setting and uploading work - which is being marked online where it is completed and where that is possible. Many students are not completing work. The key workers children have fallen to a handful and they have been combined with another school so only one site is open. He is still attending meetings online, marking post-16 essays and Y10 work, organising planning for the school for September, writing contingency plans for if the school re-opens earlier, talking to the LA, keeping governors updated, talking to his staff, parents, working with CLs about how they are going to collect and provide suitable info for exam students to boards, delivering free school meals etc. It is a very uncertain picture.
He gets up early - was working from 5.30-8.30am today, then went into school, was there until 1pm, came home had lunch, took DC out for a walk, played with them in the garden and then we had tea. Has been working or on the phone since.
It is a very different day to his normal days. He will be there this weekend on Saturday and Monday and it is staffed all through the school holidays. He thinks there will be no one turns up at the weekend but will go in and open up in case.

Wow ... just .... Wow

Why are teachers so hated on MN?

This thread is awful but I am pleased to see so many supportive posts in amongst the downright stupid, brainless vile ones.