To take my daughter swimming

Look particularly at the “how to avoid catching and spreading coronavirus” section.

It specifically says everybody. It specifically says do not have friends and family to your house. How could that be misunderstood?

Well the comfort I take from something like the slide Twelve shared is that if I can self isolate for 75% of the time or more (going to get food still necessary;and doing food runs for parents and elderly neighbours) I can hopefully compensate for twats who think their kids clubs/popping for a quick coffee is ok and social distancing is for everyone else to do so they can still go on their jollies.

I'm aware of how judgey that sounds and I don't give a shiny shit. Benefit of a viral pandemic - my people pleasing tendencies are finally starting to wear away.

There was an old lady on J Vine this lunchtime defending her right to carry on as normal-ish and she remarked how when she pops out now "there's no one about ". Yes, because they are all DOING THE RIGHT THING AND STAYING IN YOU BLOODY NUMPTY

This is so selfish. Take your child for a walk in a park.

Swimming is assessed as low risk due to the chlorine and water.

It is the over 70s/those with underlying health issues who should seriously re-think their need to go swimming at this time.

Swimming is assessed as low risk due to the chlorine and water.

I doubt she will be travelling through chlorinated water on her way to and from the pool though.

Swimming is assessed as low risk due to the chlorine and water.

Then why has Swim England specifically advised against it as it's classed as a gathering?

That's ridiculous - we are still having to go out of the house

Swim England advice relates to club activity

My worry on lock down is soon as it's over come off lock down and another outbreak and back to square 1.
Think the plan is people who would just be quite ill carry on get it get over it
At risk avoid and if they get it they can concentrate resources on that .
Instead of everyone being at risk when a lockdown comes to an end

Swim England have stopped club activity. They then say:

Swim schools should also make an informed decision on future lessons based on the current information from the Government.

The guidance for non vulnerable people is to stop activities “as much as is pragmatic”. There is room for interpretation and common sense in that. Some people will feel leaning to swim is essential.

My worry on lock down is soon as it's over come off lock down and another outbreak and back to square 1.

Absolutely. This virus may go away but it probably won't. Will it recede over summer? Will it come back stronger at the end of summer? We can’t keep a whole generation of children out of school for 12 months. What we do has to be proportionate and sustainable.

You can avoid leaving the house for 2 months. But chances are this virus will still be there after that.

That's ridiculous - we are still having to go out of the house

Yes. Sometimes we have to. Some social contact and interaction remains necessary. But we have been asked to avoid all non essential contact with others. Is going swimming really essential?

Field my very limited and non scientific understanding of extreme self isolation or lockdown is that it dramatically reduces transmission and limits in to within a household. Hopefully any cases will do their stuff during the quarantine period and then by the time it's lifted many will have survive it and as the virus hasn't had a new host to jump on so starts to die out.

Then the idea is any new occurrences can be acted on much more effectively, contacts traced and hopefully were in a better position to tackle it.

That's what I understand anyway!

I really wish the government would do a massive public health broadcast / ads everywhere about this. Swimming is not essential! Yes it might be quiet, because other people are doing the right thing and staying away. Schools and workplaces and public transport have stayed open as 'essential'. Yes, the virus will continue to spread that way. No one is saying it won't.

To try and flatten the curve we ALL have a responsibility to try very hard to not interact except where essential. This will slow the rate of transmission. So outside of essential things, people are being asked to suck it up, and socially isolate. It applies to everyone . It doesn't matter if the pool is open. If its not essential (and it isnt), you shouldn't go.

Then why has Swim England specifically advised against it as it's classed as a gathering

Because swim clubs and lessons are gatherings.

"Then why has Swim England specifically advised against it as it's classed as a gathering?"
As far as I am aware, Swim england and Wales have cancelled galas, but are leaving the decision about training, to Committee members of each club. A lot of clubs by us are continuing training. This may change now schools are shutting.

"It specifically says do not have friends and family to your house."
@PurpleDaisies, well you've misunderstood it because it actually says "avoid gatherings with friends and family". That's not the same as "dont go to anyones house. When it goes on to discuss household rules, that's for people with conditions or people who have covid19

"Swim England have strongly advised AGAINST swimming training/lessons/ group activties. On the basis it is a "GATHERING".

This is the sport's governing body in the UK."

Swim wales hasnt. They have stopped galas, not training. I cant say for sure about swim England, but swim wales has said swim England is doing the same as them.

Exercise is essential for good physical and mental health

Why have organisations not specifically said X is relatively easy to answer:

Because they're in a massive conflict of interest. On the one hand, most organisations - and I literally mean from global banking down to the knit lovers' association of Hambury - don't want to be part of the problem. On the other hand, closing stuff, advising against stuff and banning stuff basically means they're acting against their core mission (which may be anything from "trading billions" to "best representing and propagating our particular hobby". As soon as commercial interests are involved, it gets more complicated still!

In many ways, it helps organisations when there is an outright ban by the authorities. It basically gives them an "out" for not prioritising their core mission or bottom line and a story to tell angry stakeholders.

That's why the government needs to step in and close leisure facilities!

Source: I'm a corporate executive by profession - guess what I've been tearing my hair out over for the last few weeks?

Exercise is essential for good physical and mental health

Of course, but there are other ways to exercise that don't involve swimming. Go for a walk/run/bike ride instead. Do an exercise video at home. Put music on and have a mad dance about the house.

There's no need to go out and into a public swimming pool in order to get your daily exercise.

Coronavirus may have been proven not to to survive in chlorinated water but it survives in people outside the chlorinated water so I wouldn't but your choice of course.

No, I'm swimming for now thanks

I and dh are currently strongly disagreeing with each other over this. He read that chlorine will kill the virus and our dc love swimming. I however am strongly against it. Who will win come next Sunday? I don’t know but I would love a link to explain why it is a bad idea to. This week we are already self isolating because he caught a fever, which he blames the gym for. Yet, he can’t see the link. Maybe after the fever is gone he will turn back to his rational self.