I am so confused re work and SI rules

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So I am symptomatic. Have had high temp and sore throat since the weekend. On Monday I started to SI for the requisite 7 days and told work etc.
I have dh and teen DCs who now have to SI for 14 days and as far as I am aware I need to be home for 14 days too as I don’t live on my own.
However, the advice is so contradictory if you look at the official government literature online, and work are saying I need to be back on Monday if I’m well enough.
Who is right?

If you have symptoms, you and your household self isolate for 14 days. There's nothing unclear about it.

Eckhart - but work are saying I need to go back after 7 days and are not accepting my evidence from the govt.
They are coming back with counter evidence.

What counter evidence?

YOU ARE RIGHT

Send your boss this link, second paragraph for households of +1

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection!

if you live with others and you or one of them have symptoms of coronavirus, then all household members must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill

I thought it was 7 days for each person from when symptoms began - your household have 14days for symptoms to begin. Their seven day count begins from when they get symptoms. This is on the assumption you won’t get it twice so after seven days you’re well enough to go back.

If you go to nhsinform, your work are right. The person with symptoms self isolates for 7 days, the others 14 (to give them time to show symptoms). Then if they start to show, they isolate for 7 days from start of symptoms, even if that takes them over 14 days.

There really is no confusion about it! It is really simple, set out in plain English. There is nothing else that could counter that!

What are they trying to use to convince you?

www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/infections-and-poisoning/coronavirus-covid-19

They are wrong, OP. What counter evidence are they using to try to get you to come back?

Weird, the gov.uk advice contradicts the nhs advice.

Got links, @Omarthegoose? I haven't seen any contradictions but things keep changing.

They are using what OmartheGoose says.

Can you provide a link to the page that contradicts the NHS guidelines?

However this is actually further down the page (the bit on ending isolation) on the same Gov guidance quoted above:

"After 7 days, if the first person to become ill feels better and no longer has a high temperature, they can return to their normal routine. If any other family members become unwell during the 14-day household-isolation period, they should follow the same advice - that is, after 7 days of their symptoms starting, if they feel better and no longer have a high temperature, they can also return to their normal routine."

So I would say that yes, it is totally confusing. Even the published Gov guidance contradicts itself so how on earth are people meant to know what to do?

They need to use the government's pages. These are the most recent and the official ones. They can't cherry pick old news to back up their claim that you should come back to work.

bonnes in theory yes, but as above it depends which paragraph on the Gov advice page they decide to use because even that contradicts itself!

Government advice

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection

"if you live with others and you or one of them have symptoms of coronavirus, then all household members must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill"

Are you in Scotland? That NHS inform is for Scotland

But the UK NHS info is similar. I'd insist on the Gov website being the final arbiter!

yet also government advice:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#ending-isolation

"After 7 days, if the first person to become ill feels better and no longer has a high temperature, they can return to their normal routine."

So stop reading at bullet point 2!

Bloody dire isn't it!

You need to get right to the end of the guidance which is why I think it is causing confusion as the opening paragraphs are so clear about the whole household being in it together for 14 days. They're not! As each person gets symptoms, they then move onto the 7 day time scale. What you really don't want is to be the person who comes down with it on day 13 or 14 as then you have to SI for 7 days from then!

It is unclear. If you say 14 days for everyone (including first ill person), fine. But what if one family member doesn't start showing symptoms until day 10 - what happens then? Would be unsafe to then go out from day 15

Then their 7 day "countdown" starts from day 10.

Someone could start showing symptoms on day 14 of SI, and they then have a further 7 days to do.
Or conversely, the family goes into SI as eg Mum shows symptoms on day 1, everyone else shows symptoms by day 2, 7 days later the whole family can stop SI and would be considered "safe".

Yes, I quoted the first bit of advice and they quoted the later bit