When do we need to self isolate to?

[Selfsettling3]

DD1 and I developed symptoms on Thursday, DD2 Friday and DH on Saturday. Are we self isolating until this Saturday as that is a week from when the last person started symptoms or do we need to isolate until the Saturday afterwards - 2 weeks from the last person developing symptoms?
I just can’t work it out. Thanks

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#ending-isolation

Ok, so John and Alice live together.

On Monday the 1st, John develops symptoms.
On Wednesday the 3rd, Alice develops symptoms.

Are they both to stay home until Sunday the 14th, or has John to only stay home until Sunday the 7th and has Alice to only stay home until the 10th? That's the bit that's confusing me.

@dementedpixie that’s very confusing to post like that- please ask for it to be deleted.

The second paragraph you posted is from later on in the article where it talks about if you develop symptoms during a 14 day isolation. You then only need to do 7 days, not another 14.

I think the advice means that everyone in a household needs to self isolate for 14 days from the first person getting symptoms but for example if someone got symptoms on day 10 they would need to isolate for a further 7 days. Not that the person with symptoms only isolates for 7 days and everybody else 14.

After 7 days, if the first person to become ill feels better and no longer has a high temperature, they can return to their normal routine. If any other family members become unwell during the 14-day household-isolation period, they should follow the same advice - i.e. after 7 days of their symptoms starting, if they feel better and no longer have a high temperature, they can also return to their normal routine.

How is it a 14 day isolation period if the first person to become unwell can leave after 7 days? That doesn't make sense

We are in a similar situation. DS1 started coughing and temp on Friday with FS2 following on Sunday. They are both self isolating this week. They weren't particularly bothered as have been holed up in their rooms gaming with me leaving food outside the door.

As far as I can tell from the advice... they are free to stop self isolating 7 days from when they started with their symptoms whereas I have to self isolate for an extra week or 7 days from when I start showing symptoms whichever is later.

I mean they have no way of getting themselves to school though (we live very rurally) so not sure how well this is going to go down with the school who already wont be thrilled at their non attendance ....

Read the ending isolation page. It says 7 days for the symptomatic person

@turdtimelucky

• Ok, so John and Alice live together.

On Monday the 1st, John develops symptoms.
On Wednesday the 3rd, Alice develops symptoms.

Are they both to stay home until Sunday the 14th, or has John to only stay home until Sunday the 7th and has Alice to only stay home until the 10th? That's the bit that's confusing me.*

Both stay home for 14 days from the day the first person became ill. So both until the 14th. The 7 day rule is only if you need to extend the 14 day system because another person then comes ill.

Well where the fuck is the 7 days coming into it!!??? Arghh - they really annoyed me today as it was clear as mud when they were asked to clarify.

'Eh ye - so it's 14 days for everyone, but it's 7 days'.

SCREAMED AT TELLY!!!

Because 14 days is the incubation period. If you have CV then it lasts for approx 7 days hence if they recover after 7 days they can go back to usual

It's not 7 days for the person with symptoms unless they live alone. If you live with others then it's 14 days for all. Look

@dementedpixie I’m sure that’s changed from when I read it last night!

So now a symptomatic person only does 7 but all others that live with them do 14 incase they develop symptoms. Got it. But I’m sure the rules will change again in the next 14 days anyway!

So why is it only 7 days for someone who needs to extend the 14 days? Surely it should be 7 days for each one who becomes symptomatic.

@dementedpixie ONLY if they live alone

@turdtimelucky 7 days if you live alone. Otherwise it's 14 days for ALL household members or longer if someone develops symptoms after 7 days

If everyone in the household has symptoms then surely it is 7says for each person from the start of their symptoms. The 14 days is for those who may still be symptomless incubators.

@Gruffalosandbuffalos no, if the symptomatic person lives with people then it's 14 days for all. It's only 7 days if they live alone.

Codename - read the bullet point 2 below the one you've circled.

Freda - yes - that's my interpretation of their nonsense too.

Ending self-isolation and household-isolation

If you have been symptomatic, then you may end your self-isolation after 7 days. The 7-day period starts from the day when you first became ill

If living with others, then all household members who remain well may end household-isolation after 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day illness began in the first person to become ill. Fourteen days is the incubation period for coronavirus; people who remain well after 14 days are unlikely to be infectious.

After 7 days, if the first person to become ill feels better and no longer has a high temperature, they can return to their normal routine. If any other family members become unwell during the 14-day household-isolation period, they should follow the same advice - i.e. after 7 days of their symptoms starting, if they feel better and no longer have a high temperature, they can also return to their normal routine.

Should a household member develop coronavirus symptoms late in the 14-day household-isolation period (eg on day 13 or day 14)the isolation period does not need to be extended, but the person with the new symptoms has to stay at home for 7 days. The 14-day household-isolation period will have greatly reduced the overall amount of infection the rest of the household could pass on, and it is not necessary to re-start 14 days of isolation for the whole household. This will have provided a high level of community protection. Further isolation of members of this household will provide very little additional community protection.

At the end of the 14-day period, any family member who has not become unwell can leave household isolation.

If any ill person in the household has not had any signs of improvement and have not already sought medical advice, they should contactNHS 111 online. If your home has no internet access, you should call NHS 111.

The cough may persist for several weeks in some people, despite the coronavirus infection having cleared. A persistent cough alone does not mean someone must continue to self-isolate for more than 7 days.

That means if you get symptoms in the last 7 days you stay at home for a further 7 days. So if you get them on day 11 you stay at home for 18 days.

What they're basically saying is it can take you up to 14 days to become symptomatic, but once symptomatic, you're only contagious for 7 days from the date of the first symptom.

Exactly

So the guidance literally contradicts itself on the same page
For fuck sake

Yep Codename - that's been our point lol.