When do we need to self isolate to?

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DD1 and I developed symptoms on Thursday, DD2 Friday and DH on Saturday. Are we self isolating until this Saturday as that is a week from when the last person started symptoms or do we need to isolate until the Saturday afterwards - 2 weeks from the last person developing symptoms?
I just can’t work it out. Thanks

That's what I was saying!

sorry
I'm stressing

@turdtimelucky I think the theory is you can incubate the virus for 14 days so if you’ve been in contact with it you need to do this long. However once the symptoms start you are only contagious for 7 so can end your isolation after this. Other family members may then be carrying it though so need to do their 14.

It's making my head hurt lol

The govt clearly have no fucking clue how to communicate clearly. The maximum incubation period is 14 days. So the rest of the family stay at home for 14 days to check they're not asymptomatic which is the point where the real spread happens, in that time you may then show symptoms and will have to extend it. 7 days at least from symptoms, which is shit advice because it doesn't specify start or end of symptoms, but given people are going to hospital with this, I say 7 days from the point where you have no symptoms, especially the cough!!

@CodenameVillanelle yep that’s what I’ve just discovered! I was going by the articles 2 point- all members, 14 days. But then the ending isolation bit says you can end after 7 days if you have symptoms, so it contradicts the bit at the beginning really.

Ok then, so what about John, Mary and Alice in the same household.

John gets it Day 1.
Mary gets it Day 10.
Does Alice need to do her 14 days from the day John got it or the day Mary got it? Because, maybe she didn't actually get it from John at all, but is busily incubating it from Day 10 as she picked it up from Mary on Day 10 as it happens.
See how it gets confusing now?

The govt clearly have no fucking clue how to communicate clearly.

That was the only think strikingly clear from their gibberish yesterday.

That ending isolation explains it (sort of)

Should a household member develop coronavirus symptoms late in the 14-day household-isolation period (eg on day 13 or day 14) the isolation period does not need to be extended, but the person with the new symptoms has to stay at home for 7 days. The 14-day household-isolation period will have greatly reduced the overall amount of infection the rest of the household could pass on, and it is not necessary to re-start 14 days of isolation for the whole household. This will have provided a high level of community protection. Further isolation of members of this household will provide very little additional community protection.

Just reading it again it is written terribly.

What they want to say is for the person with symptoms, self isolate immediately and stay isolated until you have no symptoms. At that point, add 7 days. It can't be 7 days from the start, otherwise people in hospital could be going to Tesco on day 7 according to that. They mean 7 days from end of symptoms.

For others in the house without symptoms, self isolate for 14 days, with day 1 being the day someone else in the house showed symptoms.

So given the illness takes about 7 days, and then you have 7 days' isolation, assuming no one else contracts it in the mean time, you are all in the house 14 days.

I understand it to be as @turdtimelucky said. total household minimum 14 days but the clock on the last 7 days restarts each time a new person starts getting symptoms. if everyone in the household is one of the lucky "not too bad" category then each individual will be pretty much recovered 7 days after first symptoms. if anyone is still ill 7 days after first symptoms seek advice from 111 as it may be a more serious case.

OP as you a all developed symptoms within 3 days you will hopefully all be pretty much better by 2 weeks from the Thursday if any of you are still ill at that point seek medical advice.

good luck and best wishes

So we have DH taken ill last Thursday. He is clear to go back to work on Thursday this week after staying at home for 7 days. DD2 picked it up on Saturday. She will be clear to leave the house next Saturday.

Our household 14 days started last a Thursday with the first onset of symptoms. Except I'm now coughing so I'll be clear next Monday. Sadly DD1 and DS will have to wait until a week on Wednesday unless they develop symptoms today or tomorrow.

If they start coughing next weekend, it's another week for them from when they start even though that will take them over 14 days.

Have I got that?

I don't think it's 7 days from the end of symptoms. They are saying the cough can last for weeks. They are saying that after 7 days you are very unlikely to be able to pass it on so you can then leave the house.

Plucked - you could extrapolate any amount of interpretations from their 'advice'.

The thing is, without testing it could be CV or you could just be isolating the cold/flu/random cough or temperature

If you have been symptomatic, then you may end your self-isolation after7 days. The 7-day period starts from the day when you first became ill

I think it's stupid advice without testing.
David and Sally Abel are a perfect case in point.
David was still testing positive and not allowed to leave isolation in the hospital 3 weeks after developing symptoms.

Obviously if you still felt ill/had a temperature then you wouldn't be out after 7 days

For e.g. you could pick up a cold on Day 1 and isolate yourself and your household for 14 days. However, on Day 15, you go out and you pick up CV. Then you get symptoms 14 days later and have to isolate for a further 7 days.
It's stupid idiotic advice. Totally nonsensical, ill explained, contradictory and infantile. Not to mention extremely irritating.

@nothingiswrong yes, in their usual over optimistic way they are assuming the best case scenario that the illness lasts 7 days. If that's what they want to say though, they should have said "stay at home 7 days from the start of symptoms, even if you feel better on days 2-7. If symptoms continue, stay home until you no longer have symptoms. Because lots of people who want to go back to work will do the 7 days and then happily go to the office with a cough and sneezing, and so the cycle begins again.

The funny thing is my youngest came down with it first so 7 days for him 14 for us but then the middle one came down with it too so should he suddenly be ok to go out after 7 days or the original 14

We are probably going to isolate for 14 days anyway just to be sure

Who knows slippery. It's a case of drawing your own conclusions I think as it makes no sense whatsoever.

@turdtimelucky yep! It’s bonkers!

@slipperywhensparticus yes the middle one can go out after 7 since he now has symptoms. Once you’ve got it it’s apparently only contagious for 7 days. Apparently!

I saw something on twitter I think that Ireland are developing a test that won't require full scrubs by the medical personnel. Don't ask me to find it again as I'm useless with twitter.