To be more confused after BoJo's press conference than I was before it?

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I watched all of today's press conference as i have family members who fall into at risk groups.

The guidance before today was clear to me- self-isolate for 7 days if continuous cough or fever

but now I am not at all clear what it all means. That started with not even being clear at what time the press conference would actually take place!

Surely in a time of global crisis our government should, above all, aim to communicate their plans clearly with specific guidance?

AIBU?

Clear as mud because without any enforcement, it just comes across as another useless piece of govt advice.... such as limit your bacon consumption.

Consider not going to the pub.....? what about a large pub with 3 people in it or one with 100 clients all pissed, hugging each other?

But is ok to go out for exercise... so not really isolating at all.

BJ went on to say after talks with international bodies (no mention of EU) the UK leads the world... what the fuck in???? perhaps incompetence and dithering?

If you don’t understand what he said then I’m sorry but you’re a bit dim.

Maybe you could explain it to us then @Alwaysreadyforbed?

What they said, particularly when compared to what the government has published on line, is not clear at all.

It’s been explained many times on this thread, it was clear when he said it and people posting nonsense like he said “consider” avoiding pubs etc when he actually said “avoid” pubs etc is silly. There is no need to keep explaining it. If people still can’t grasp it, there is little to be done.

You're not explaining it because it isn't clear.

Yes, the 14 day quarantine is clear.

Yes, avoid going to pubs, restaurants, theatre is clear.

What isn't clear is when we look at the groups who are advised to endure stricter restrictions.

If you can self isolate, without penalty, then it's not such a problem but for anyone who falls into the "at risk" or "severely at risk " groups but who work the advice is not at all clear.

Do we go to work or not, if we fall into one of the increased groups?

That's where the advice is appaling

Hooves

This is a link to the group who are at specific risk because of a pre existing chronic condition such as diabetics They are advised to take more extreme precautions because A) they are more susceptible to catching the disease and B) their recovery is likely to be more challenging. People in this group should be self isolating.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults

Thanks Bovary. I have looked at that list but it doesn't make it clear as regards work. The advice is to not socialise and to work from home if possible, but no advice for people who can't work from home.

I've just spoken to my GP who said that they don't understand it either and don't know how to advise patients. Their current advice is to self certify for seven days and hope that clearer advice is forthcoming. This is just ridiculous.

Thanks Bovary. I have looked at that list but it doesn't make it clear as regards work

? In the face of a global pandemic with no treatment, if you have a chronic health condition such as diabetes etc you need to self isolate. As in stay at home.

To re-iterate what a pp has said, of course no one should be going to pubs, clubs, theatres etc, therefore they should be forced to close.
Arseclown Johnson will not enforce closures as that means the owners of these places would be able to claim on their insurance. He doesn't want that owing to all his cronies in the insurance industry.

? In the face of a global pandemic with no treatment, if you have a chronic health condition such as diabetes etc you need to self isolate

But it also says to work from home if possible and then explains to use public transport to travel to and from work outside of peak times. So it isn't saying do not go to work. My Dr has just said the exact same to me - that the advice is contradictory.

He doesn't want that owing to all his cronies in the insurance industry

Credible. Not.

But it also says to work from home if possible and then explains to use public transport to travel to and from work outside of peak times. So it isn't saying do not go to work.

So this means IF you can work from home to do so, and if you cannot work from home then go to work but travel outside of peak hours

If you have any of the health conditions then you have to self isolate

Er, people who have specific, chronic pre existing health conditions have weakened immunity and are at serious risk hence the advice to self isolate. If you think that is compatible with going to work? I would question your interpretation.

If you have any of the health conditions then you have to self isolate

But my GP doesn't agree with you there. She said herself that the information is contradictory. It doesn't say directly, that if you have these conditions then you self isolate, don't go to work etc.

It doesn't go that far. That's the problem. It's still just a kind of "it would be a good idea if" which doesn't help if you need to be paid, even just SSP, does it?

I thought it was clear , i have disliked borris before this but actually i think hes doing a good job under the eminence pressure he and his staff must be under

But my GP doesn't agree with you there. She said herself that the information is contradictory. It doesn't say directly, that if you have these conditions then you self isolate, don't go to work etc

Are you really incapable of coming to the conclusion that if you have a chronic pre existing condition it might be wiser to stay home than go to work? How bizarre.

Bovary

I'd question your interpretation.

The guidelines advise people with chronic health conditions to employ social distancing, not self isolation

Social distancing measures are steps you can take to reduce the social interaction between people. This will help reduce the transmission of coronavirus (COVID-19).

They are:

Avoid contact with someone who is displaying symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19). These symptoms include high temperature and/or new and continuous cough
Avoid non-essential use of public transport, varying your travel times to avoid rush hour, when possible
Work from home, where possible. Your employer should support you to do this. Please refer to employer guidance for more information
Avoid large gatherings, and gatherings in smaller public spaces such as pubs, cinemas, restaurants, theatres, bars, clubs
Avoid gatherings with friends and family. Keep in touch using remote technology such as phone, internet, and social media
Use telephone or online services to contact your GP or other essential services

It then goes on to say those with severe conditions will be contacted next week, detailing even stricter steps. My GP thinks I will fall into this category but isn't completely sure. Even so, they don't know when the restrictions start. From now or from next week

Social distancing isn't the same as self isolation

Well, if your life approach is to wait for instructions from above before taking action? Good luck.

Are you really incapable of coming to the conclusion that if you have a chronic pre existing condition it might be wiser to stay home than go to work? How bizarre.

I'm entirely capable of coming to the conclusion that it's wiser for me to stay at home.

Are you entirely incapable of realising that some of us need to ensure that we still get paid, even if only SSP, for the next few months? Or that we don't want to effectively hand in our resignation by just not going into work because when this is all over we still need to work?

Honestly, those of you who can work from home on full pay for the duration of this, or those already on full benefits are not in the same position as those of us who are facing our wages being slashed.

Hang on, deputy chief medical office has just said.... Don't to go out etc but "life must go on" followed by this is even stronger advice for the over 70s and but even stronger advice will be given to the vulnerable "next week"

Its a fuckin joke.... people are going to ignore this, which is exactly what has happened with several pubs putting out FB msg's saying business as usually WE ARE OPEN..

Well, if your life approach is to wait for instructions from above before taking action? Good luck.

Are you planning on sharing your wages with me then? Planning on paying my bills or buying my shopping? Planning on paying my daughter's rent at university because her student loan was based on my income?

These bills are all going to have to be paid while I move to basically zero income for the next however long.

Are you planning on sharing your wages with me then?

Do you have any concept of being responsible for yourself? Or do you expect Nanny State to bail you out at every step?

Jesus, there are some nasty pieces of work on here @Bovary.

@Alsohuman
Gosh. Do you feel better now? Do you feel self righteous? People are ultimately responsible for themselves. But in the UK, lots of people think Nanny State and Uncle Sugar are always there to dole out the sweeties.

No, I don’t feel better. As for accusing me of self righteousness - oh, the irony. What part of people can’t live on fresh air is it so difficult to comprehend?

Do you have any concept of being responsible for yourself? Or do you expect Nanny State to bail you out at every step?

I am responsible for myself, hence continuing to work despite severe health conditions when I could have opted to rely on benefits.

We don't claim one single penny but our wages are spent every month simply on our own very basic life and in supporting our children. We don't go on holiday, our car is ancient, we don't go out, don't buy takeaways. We have no extravagant lifestyle. You do realise that people in this country live on wages just above the cut off for any state help yet still have to pay for rent, mortgage, bills, food etc?

My daughter knows of fellow students who have lost their part time jobs at uni. Those jobs supplemented their student loans so now they can't afford their rent. The rent that parents had to stand guarantor for. So now parents are going to have to pay money out for student house rent on top of their own expenses whilst potentially having their income cut to £90/week.

People in this country need to realise what a knife edge a lot of people have been living on