Will you still visit pubs & cafes?

[Gertie75]

Today's advice seems so vague, we've been told to avoid these places yet they haven't been told to close, do they expect pubs to still open and have staff just standing there with no customers?

On my local Facebook page there have already been posts from 4 local pubs and cafés saying they will still be opening and have very strict hygiene standards.

I feel so sorry for the landlords and staff.

I found this...it says be cautious when visiting restaurants but doesn’t actually say NOT to, just to choose the most open ones possible. It also says at the bottom it’s WHO advice so wouldn’t be against any guidelines.

The guidelines changed today. People have been told to avoid non essential contact with each other.

PM and CMO say: Everyone should avoid gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres

Mumsnet asks: will you be going to the pub...

I’m shocked at the attitude of the British government, with no clear direction being given to people. Here in Ireland the government ordered all bars and pubs to close from last night. Most cafes have now announced that they are voluntarily closing, though I expect a directive will issue shortly on this from the government.

All schools, colleges etc closed since last Thursday evening.

The attitude of some is shocking to me. Of course we shouldn’t be going to bars, cafes etc! Are people half asleep or something?

The amount of SELFISH STUPIDITY in this country is exceptional.

Staying at home is NOT a measure to keep the healthy well. It’s because you may be a symptomless carrier.

Let’s say... You go for your coffee (that you don’t need), and you come into contact with say, 8 people many of whom need to be out as they work in frontline services, or they are on zero hours contracts or whatever. You unwittingly infect 2. 1 of those has an immunosuppressed relative at home. They go home, fall ill 5 days later. They recover but their immunosuppressed partner doesn’t. They die, horribly, effectively drowning in their own pleural effusions.

Was your coffee worth it?

Absolutely what @TheSheepofWallSt said.

It’s about a collective effort to minimise spread and prevent the NHS being overwhelmed.

Each person who ignores the advice is contributing to spreading this to vulnerable groups who will require hospital treatment.

It really isn’t hard at all.

We are only going to school to drop and collect, and work. We will need to do a petrol trip. Then we will wait for the instruction to work from home from our employer and for the announcement the dc school will close.

We won't be doing anything else.

No, of course not.

Did anyone see the cinema scene in Outbreak. You dont need to tell me to stay away 🤣

How is this vague guidance.? Avoid all social gatherings and do not go to pubs, clubs, theatres, cinemas etc.

It’s as clear as it could be.

No, I won’t be going. I really can’t see the confusion or how it is remotely vague.

People need to stop being selfish, it’s not about you personally getting ill, it’s trying to stop the spread so people who are vulnerable don’t end up in hospital and dying.

Mumsnet asks: will you be going to the pub...

MumsNet overwhelmingly says 'No, of course not'.

@Gertie75 while you may be low risk the waitress bringing you your food or the barman mixing your drink may be going home to someone who is high risk. Please be responsible. We all need to get out of the me, me, me mentality and think about society and people as a whole. Every action you take has a reaction further down the line, good or bad.
Please try and make sensible decisions for the good of all. Business will come back when this is over but people can't.

No, I am in an at risk group so will limit everything as much as I can. I am at home anyway as I am carer for dd1. We will have the school run for dd2 unfortunately. Dh has to work (in a supermarket)and he has said to cancel dd2s dance classes, she will be sad as dancing is her favourite thing in the world (she has ASD) but 12 months break is better than never again.

No, because even if I'm low risk myself spreading the disease around to others who might be more vulnerable is a dick move.

Absolutely not. My immediate family isn’t particularly at risk but I don’t want anyone’s blood on my hands so I’m only doing school runs and shopping alone.

We’ve had a leaving do for a colleague planned in a pub for a few weeks now. We won’t see him again because he lives a long way away and taking up a job nearer to home. It’ll be our last hurrah before we are forced to stay in. It is selfish, but we are saying goodbye forever.

By vague I meant how he said to avoid pubs, cafés etc yet didn't instruct them to close as some countries have, perhaps I worded it incorrectly, it didn't come across as a clear message to the public place owners as to what they should do.

Large gatherings was another, he's withdrawing support which forces them to not go ahead but didn't specifically ban them.

Same goes for the elderly and vulnerable being told to self isolate for 12 weeks, my friend who has asthma and takes a daily inhaler doesn't know if she's in that category or not.

Ok so everyone avoid softplay ,bars , restaurants, cinemas, theatres. All those staff are now no longer needed buisnesses closed no immediate benefits available . We can no longer eat , pay our rent or put gas and electric on our meters death by Corona is a possibility but death by starvation becomes a certainty .

Possibly if they are open. Hard to predict what will happen next. The advice was too vague.

www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?fbclid=IwAR1jclP2jSrCOE-vYetMB5U0VEAqYPDX4vtsoKuqaxcIJE1uk2D0PpIbFbU

This article and simulations show the importance of social distancing.

I’m so cross that a friend of DS’s birthday party is going ahead this weekend.

One of mine is at a party this weekend. It's with his classmates so don't really see the difference.

AdoptedBumpkin Mon 16-Mar-20 20:36:47
Possibly if they are open. Hard to predict what will happen next. The advice was too vague.

'Selfish talk costs lives.'

No I won't. We were meant to go to a restaurant tonight but instead picked up some food at a takeaway and the place was quite busy for a Monday night.

I think the advice is good advice but needs to be backed up by all non-essential shops and services shutting as in Germany. Places open are food and pharmacy, essential DIY and a couple of others. Oddly I thought hairdressers were on the list.

It's no good leaving pubs and cafes open.... A club I belong to is holding a meeting in one tomorrow on the basis it's not closed so it should b e fine.

DD works in a busy pub/restaurant. She has had a text from her boss swapping 3 of her shifts this week for holiday days, so won't be in work until Saturday now. I hope they instruct pubs and restaurants to close before then so they can claim on insurance, DD might stand a chance of not losing her job entirely.

Also, I'm high risk due to ill health and would feel far safer with her not coming into contact with so many people and their used glasses, plates and cutlery every day.