AIBU to be pissed at the UK government?

[Ladynada39]

I'm Irish, live in Ireland. We CURRENTLY have had 2 deaths from Covid19 and our government have effectively closed down the country to help slow the spread of the virus. Our schools, universities, child care services, pubs and many many clothes and no essential shops are closed. We are practicing social distancing (staying 1-2m from other people). No visiting our parents, grandparents, friends or neighbours. We are staying in our own very small family cells (those people who we share a house with). We are scrubbing our hands and faces after being outside, disinfecting door handles and shopping trolley. We are really trying to save our country and it's people and not make the mistakes Italy have made. We even cancelled mass, weddings, confirmation, christening s!!!!

It is so so so annoying to watch our nearest neighbours proceed as normal... School open. Cheltenham races open... Football matches being played... Concerts going ahead!!! Crazy!!! Look at Italy!!! 1000's dead!!! The healthcare staff have to choose who to safe! If it is between a 53yr old and a 47yr old, they many old save one! In italy people died alone and medical staff had to find phones/iPads so that they could say goodbye to their families! They are then cremated!!!!
Do not let this happen in the UK. It is boggling that the UK government is putting not just it's people at risk but also my country as we share a border!
Tell me this is madness??? Why are the UK government getting away with this and it's people letting them????

China, medical staff, were becoming re-infected

Source please?

People voted for Boris (not me!) because he is a personality, not because of his leadership qualities, which haven’t been in evidence in my opinion.

They also voted for him because the alternative was dire. We need a strong opposition to have a government that takes the right decisions. We don’t have it.

@DuckWillow how on Earth are you tracking figures? The UK aren’t testing people who might have it anymore. You have no idea where you are relative to Italy or any other country.

For example, Ireland are now testing anyone with a cough and OR fever even if they feel largely fine. The national ambulance service are going to their homes.

Figures in all countries were already massively understated before the UK started following this ‘close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears it’s not happening lalala’ approach.

Social media, etc means everyone's an expert. You can find information to support whatever your views are.

Yes, and then you post eleventy billion threads and start a petition about something you want.

So many Virologist specialists on one thread!, oh hold on it's the usual tribal partisan politics that is driving it,

As of yet there is no "one" correct way of dealing with a pandemic, people citing NY ignore the US approach and previous testing, every country is listening to its own experts.

Not only have the WHO come out against this herd immunity

That is going to need a source, not just a comment from a former pediatrician who work for WHO.

As usual with MN, the majority of this 'knowledge' is as usual partisan political bollocks which is cherry picking articles and news to suit their own agenda.

And to think most people think they are well educated who use this site.

OP, maybe you should be more concerned with tasking your government to close your border with the UK than concerning yourself with what another country is doing. That should protect your citizens.

NC and before everyone jumps on to have a go, I have a DSIS with a severe heart condition, a DGP over 90 and a DP with diabetes, leaky heart valve and high blood pressure. We are all terrified....BUT DP and I also run a small business employing 12 people. We occupy a warehouse as it is in the manufacturing industry so not eligible for any small business rates grants. If we have to shut will have to put all staff on either holiday or unpaid leave as the SSP grant is only for if you are sick and anyway it’s £90 pp for 2 weeks!

Just think how you would cope if your income suddenly dropped to £90 a week.

Have c£60k in cash in bank which will see us through 6 weeks of rent/rates/lease payments etc but not staff costs. After this we will be bust, totally broke with no business, staff will be redundant after being on unpaid leave with no wages for the 6 weeks they are off .... not sure how we or they will survive that? We are being careful, no staff member uses public transport we are keeping others away from site, keeping distance at work, all washing our hands regularly and hoping for the best.

It’s fine if you work in the public sector or an office and can work from home (but then I won’t be paying my accountant/solicitor and web guy if I’m bust), but bear a thought for the little guys who might not make it through when you all shout for everything to shut because it will touch everyone in one way or another.

I don't pretend to know much about these things, but what I do trust in is that the people in government would not deliberately kill their own family as well as lots of ours just to save money on pensions
They're people same as us, who I don't envy one bit them having to make these decisions.

OP, maybe you should be more concerned with tasking your government to close your border with the UK than concerning yourself with what another country is doing.

Anyone who thinks Ireland can close their border with the UK hasn't been paying attention.

Justanotherlurker www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/matt-frei/coronavirus-ex-who-boss-questions-uks-herd-immunit/

If you look at the track record of the current UK government over the last decade, you'll see why they aren't overly concerned about vulnerable people dying. I'm sure, individually, they'd probably be a bit sad about it, just not enough to prioritise lives over economic disruption.

I totally agree with you. I'm also in Ireland. I wish they'd close the border with NI. The UK appears to be making no effort. I need to step away from this section of mumsnet because the majority of threads this morning leave me screaming FFS at the computer. Holidays? Seriously people? Do you not read the news?

Doesn't South Africa have huge shanty towns with millions living in cramped housing with poor sanitation?
Would that be why they closed the borders.

Holidays? Seriously people? Do you not read the news?

People are allowed to be upset about their lives going to shit.

Ireland doesn't have an NHS so possibly that drives decisions .

So the NHS is what makes the UK different to the whole test of the world?

Italy has an excellent health system

People are allowed to be upset about their lives going to shit.

Of course they are. It's incredibly upsetting for everyone. I have no problem with people being upset about losing their holidays. I'm very upset about about mine too.
It's the people still planning on going on holiday and the people encouraging them to go.

YANBU, of course.

Even Wayne Rooney has more sense than the government. He said that football should have been stopped sooner.

In other countries most things have stayed open until the government decided they needed to close. In the UK it’s the other way round, event organisers decided to cancel themselves, sport, businesses, schools starting to decide for themselves, while Boris keep telling us everything’s fine.

It’s an absolute disgrace.

@Aquasheep that is crap I am so sorry. It is companies like yours I worry about. 12 people with no jobs, multiply that by the number of small businesses just like yours who are going to be the same. When the corona virus is over we are going to have a huge unemployment problem. Unemployment brings mental health problems, poverty and malnutrition. The suicide rate increases.

Also and I know slightly less important but if we shut the schools and women can no longer work, or at least work full time, after all of this is over companies will be very hesitant to employ large amounts of women, we will be set back years! In the site I work in about 80% are women and only one man in the senior management team. Most have children and jobs that cannot be done at home. The site will stop trading pretty much if schools are shut. We will lose some staff due to this. I doubt they will then happily take on more women. I already have to argue that my and my colleagues flexible working pattern doesn’t affect business.

It’s all a pile of shite!

while Boris keep telling us everything’s fine.
Boris Johnson told us we need to be prepared to lose more loved ones. That doesn't sound to me like he is telling us everything is fine.

Just be glad you live in ireland
Im staying home with my kids regardless of what boris says give it a few weeks

Put up a border if it worries you so much in Ireland? Other EU countries have done this.

OP, no, YANBU at all and I am quite terrified of the numbers of boiling frogs in the mushroom club - ie many of the UK's population.

There is a thread running with a link to a Harvard Study of cases in China that shows in a nice powerpoint display why testing and early intervention even in mild cases is vitally important, and STILL people are saying it's too difficult to test for accurate data and to make sure people are handling their symptoms correctly.

If the UK can pull billions out of its arse for the Olympics and other vanity projects when it suits, it sure as hell can find money for test kits and research and to incentivise personnel.

People's lives are at stake here, and if you allow us to sacrifice a whole bunch of the elderly and health compromised to this virus for the alleged greater economic good, you are missing the point that later down the line goalposts may change and it will be easier to accept other groups falling into the "non-essential" for treatment category, then yet more until it's you, your family, your friends (which is already happening and yet we're being told to suck it up).

Do you think our "leaders" and their families are just going to self-isolate without a test for 7 days if they come down with CV19 symptoms and only seek medical help if they get worse? They'll have their Harley Street poodles on tap from the first cough. BoJo's Dad would be on a respirator in a heartbeat.

Never mind the fact that testing and observing this disease provides the real time data needed to develop treatments and make sure the damn thing doesn't mutate over and over again as well as providing a real picture of the spread, not just a guess which might mean half the people self-isolating are doing it for a nasty cold or other flu virus with a side helping of utter fear and going stir crazy for periods that don't even tally consistently with how the virus is observed to develop so far.

8 weeks ago it was clear this was going to be a problem, 4 weeks ago it became urgent, two weeks ago it became a potential crisis. In 4 to 12 weeks time we will know just how big that crisis is, and I don't want to be cynically believing that BoJo drew the short straw in the "which country can be the petri dish for exponential growth" at the Bildeburg meeting because the UK is an island and can be cut off from the rest of the world quite easily.

But if I can start thinking like that, when I pride myself on evidence based thinking and being rational, then others will too. And some will be clamouring for blood. I don't want to see an escalation into civil unrest and the way our Govt are handling this is making it seem less fantastical by the minute.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm all out of "Keep calm and carry on" this morning.