AIBU to be pissed at the UK government?

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I'm Irish, live in Ireland. We CURRENTLY have had 2 deaths from Covid19 and our government have effectively closed down the country to help slow the spread of the virus. Our schools, universities, child care services, pubs and many many clothes and no essential shops are closed. We are practicing social distancing (staying 1-2m from other people). No visiting our parents, grandparents, friends or neighbours. We are staying in our own very small family cells (those people who we share a house with). We are scrubbing our hands and faces after being outside, disinfecting door handles and shopping trolley. We are really trying to save our country and it's people and not make the mistakes Italy have made. We even cancelled mass, weddings, confirmation, christening s!!!!

It is so so so annoying to watch our nearest neighbours proceed as normal... School open. Cheltenham races open... Football matches being played... Concerts going ahead!!! Crazy!!! Look at Italy!!! 1000's dead!!! The healthcare staff have to choose who to safe! If it is between a 53yr old and a 47yr old, they many old save one! In italy people died alone and medical staff had to find phones/iPads so that they could say goodbye to their families! They are then cremated!!!!
Do not let this happen in the UK. It is boggling that the UK government is putting not just it's people at risk but also my country as we share a border!
Tell me this is madness??? Why are the UK government getting away with this and it's people letting them????

Yes believe me it's frustrating for us too.

Also agree, listening to the science = scream.

What does the science say about 4000 ventilators and 20000 needed?.. And doing nothing to test or spread the virus.

Apparently from The leaked document boris is terrified of our nos being worse than anywhere else.

It's shocking what we are doing and my dc are off today and for this week and I'll keep them off next week too.

There are way too many exclamation marks in your OP.

You don’t seem to understand that it isn’t going to go away and the majority of people are going to get it. You can’t hide in your house forever, at some point you are going to have to come out.

I don't think it's that simple.

I do wonder how much any of the decisions taken in the time of social media pile ups are valid.

China panicked after not failing to contain it initially and there is the erasure to follow them, even though we don't know if they are successful.

I think every single government is clueless, but many decide to go the way of strict measure to reassure people something it's done.

I think there has to be a more sober, middle way of doing things, but I'm not an expert on viruses or on politics, so please don't jump on me for expressing on opinion.

BTW Boris is in a tough spot... He ignores or sacks his medical advisors..
Or he ignore the rest of the world and the reasons we are given for letting it spread and the excuses seem totally irrelevant elsewhere

Excellent article in the guardian by William Hanage, an epidemiologist, basically tearing through the UK govt's policy of creating herd immunity.

It seems like the govt is unmoved by the possible number of deaths that will occur by following this policy. Obviously the economy comes first - any deaths are just collateral damage.

Terrifying.

**There is no simple solution to this, if you think that there is you are very naive. China are now going back to work because they have to, presumably this will lead to an increase in cases again.

Why didn't Ireland quarantine all the idiots who had been to the Cheltenham festival? Now that would have been sensible.

China reported 11 new cases from highs of thousands! They stayed in doors and a killed the bloody thing!
Cheltenham race goers did not go into isolation because they had not been to an 'infected area'. The face that most of my country is practicing social distancing and robust hand hygiene might safe some people from being infected!

The same scientists have also said tjis is a quick mutating virus so herd immunity is not a given. All this "listening to science" is bollocks. They listen to It if it doesn't affect the pound.

And we won't be in lockdown for a year-how ridiculous. A complete lockdown for 2 to 3 weeks ensures the virus is tracked, traced and clamped down.

If a huge country like China can do it, a small island like Britain should. A so-called First World country...

It's frustrating.

We're the only country not doing anything. Why do we think we're so special?

Completely agree OP. I'm from Dublin and live in Belfast. We were down at the weekend and the difference was stark. All friends lying low with no intention of visiting their parents for the foreseeable. No one going to work who does not have to. They're taking it properly seriously.

There is no way the health service in NI will cope if we don't take drastic action soon.

@DriryLanePenance Great post!

I think policy is a good indicator of personality myself.

China are now going back to work as they have done their lockdown. They went from nearly 60,000 cases to around 15,000 as a result.

I'm still not convinced we need to lockdown just yet, however I think there will come a time when we need to.

I'm watching the daily figures and comparing our increase rates to Italy (similar population size to us) and China. To date we are mirroring Italy, it remains to be seen by if we will continue to do this.

The government's plan makes me unbelievably angry.
Herd immunity doesn't work when there is a)no vaccine to provide the herd with, which reduces the possibility of those who are vulnerable from getting it and b) recurrent infection isn't a thing as we don't develop immunity. This hasn't happend with COVID-19. There is no vaccine and people in China, medical staff, were becoming re-infected.

I also don't believe anyone who is pro eugenics has the countries best interest at heart. He believes the strong will live and the weak die. This shows it.

I also haven't given my consent to become part of the countries biggest fucking science experiment. When did we agree to be guinea pigs in these trials!?

The government's refusal to test anyone not in the hospital is also a dangerous game. Over 1000+ hospitalised cases, how many more in the community? With an infection rate of 2-4 are we looking at 4000+ being the true number!?

OP, the people of the UK aren't "letting" this happen. How incredibly naïve. However short of full scale riots and anarchy, which definitely won't help matters, we don't have a say.

I am scared for people who are vulnerable. If the rest of go about our business as usual, albeit practising good hygiene, surely we could be carrying the virus.

Some Cheltenham pubs had record sales over race week

There is no magic wand for this everyone sit on the side lines criticising.

Obviously a full shut down would stop it . But how practical is this . We need food we need power we need water we need communication. we need carers we need shops we need HCP we need police we need to benefit system running we need not to panic
How will you get people to conform . I have zero faith in a minority of people conforming.
It's a disaster snowballing by the day there is no silver bullet lockdown as much as you can but only needs a few breaches and back to square 1.

People voted for Boris (not me!) because he is a personality, not because of his leadership qualities, which haven’t been in evidence in my opinion.

So we shut down, schools are closed till August (looks likely in Scotland) women generally then have to at least initially take their 13 weeks unpaid leave then many of those will lose their jobs. Women this is, as they are the primary caregivers. The country loses 3% GDP every month. People lose their houses. Next year the pot holes are worse, the flooding is worse, councils, schools and hospitals have their budgets cut, then we are all on here complaining about the government again!
But hey tesco and Asda are rubbing their hands.
Government is damned if they do or damned if the don’t.

Herd immunity is meant to protect the most vulnerable, not sacrifice them.

The government are telling us they are willing to sacrifice our vulnerable family members for the sake of an economy that is going to fail anyway. Britain alone cannot weather the tide of global economic meltdown.

China reported 11 new cases from highs of thousands! They stayed in doors and a killed the bloody thing!

If you believe that you would believe anything

China reported 11 new cases from highs of thousands! They stayed in doors and a killed the bloody thing!

Except they didn't kill it. And since they are now going back to work, cases are presumably going to go back up again.

Coronavirus is a gift for the tories. Johnson’s ‘herd immunity’ (survival of the fittest/richest) will weed out the elderly, the chronically unwell and the otherwise vulnerable.
These are the people the tories consider to be a financial burden. The savings in the long run will be immeasurable.

Schools are closed in Ireland, Italy, Sweden, Czech Republic, Spain, Belgium, France and Germany.

But not here. Are my kids going in today? Like feck they are.

I’m in a border town and bars/restaurants are mimicking the republic but work places aren’t - a lot working from home though.

Thankfully most schools are already closed to Wednesday so hopefully there’s a closure announcement before then

Agreed, the Uk response is mental. Not only have the WHO come out against this herd immunity twaddle but how on earth are you even going to tell when you reach this (magical unverified) 60% immunity when you’re not even testing people. You’re not even trying to keep track of it.

New York is shutting down but the Uk think there’s no need to even cancel a child’s football game. It’s outrageous.

I’m glad our government are taking it seriously and so are the rest of the world. But it’s so hard on us when Northern Ireland are forced to be reckless by Boris & co.

Luckily some pubs and restaurants up north are closing anyway as it’s the right thing to do.

It’s amazing that sporting events had to decide themselves to close as it’s too high risk but the government couldn’t even identify that it’s too high risk.