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How many people actually understand what a lockdown would involve?

342 replies

Bearbehind · 13/03/2020 21:07

I realise there’s outrage about our governments handling of this but, on one hand we appear to have countless people insisting schools must shut now

And on the other hand we have people who-

  • think they could still participate in their hobbies
  • think a lock down would be over in a fortnight
  • think they could go on a cheap holiday while the kids are off

How many people genuinely understand locking down now will be for months and you won’t be classed as ‘exceptional’ or ‘special’ - you’ll be expected to actually stay inside for the duration otherwise it achieves nothing.

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backaftera2yearbreak · 14/03/2020 21:49

Surely the government allowed Amazon drivers to work so the can deliver whatever people need?

Flyingpurplepeopleeater · 14/03/2020 21:50

But if amazon is delivering and ordering stuff from there isn't forbidden within the terms of lockdown what is the crime?
Presumably if you were ONLY permitted to order a specific set of things this would be a) set out within the lockdown rules and b) within Amazon's own t and cs

ItsGoingTibiaK · 14/03/2020 21:53

@Bearbehind

Are Amazon deliveries banned as part of the 'lockdown'? Are the kinds of products that are allowed to be delivered by Amazon restricted as part of 'lockdown'? Has the person broken the terms of the 'lockdown' in order to receive the paper?

I'll say it again:

  • If we get a 'lockdown' in this country, the terms will be made very clear.
  • You won't have a say in them.
  • They are unlikely to be as restrictive as it seems you would like them to be.
  • We will all have to abide by them.
  • People are free to live their lives within those restrictions.
  • You don't get to decide that people should further restrict their activities over and above the terms of a 'lockdown'.
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Bearbehind · 14/03/2020 21:53

Why am I trolling?

If you think I am, report me?

Otherwise, please share with me why you think it’s necessary to get the likes of an Amazon drivers to bring drawing paper to your door in a country that is allegedly in a lockdown

What was your thought process in thinking that was ‘essential’?

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willdoitinaminute · 14/03/2020 21:57

bearbehind until lockdown happens most people will be unaware how restricting it will be. I am looking forward to the pearl clutching and the “it doesn’t apply to me” threads on mn.
Luckily I am in an essential profession so will enjoy priority at the fuel pumps and be able to make a nice long detour to work to enjoy freedom of movement. I would hope to get priority in the supermarkets too.
I hope that lockdown does not last too long though. DS is looking forward to endless hours on PS4 with his mates and DH is antisocial anyway. He is hoping for a good spell of weather and he will top up his tan, reading in the garden.

backaftera2yearbreak · 14/03/2020 21:57

Your opinion about what is essential is Irrelevant. Unless the government decreed only food and medicine could be delivered they could order whatever they liked!

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Bearbehind · 14/03/2020 21:57

But if amazon is delivering and ordering stuff from there isn't forbidden within the terms of lockdown what is the crime?

The crime is people thinking their need for drawing paper surpasses the need for that delivery driver being able to stay at home too

It’s clear this isn’t sinking in with those who have decided they want to protect themselves whilst expecting nothing else to inconvenience them

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ItsGoingTibiaK · 14/03/2020 22:00

Otherwise, please share with me why you think it’s necessary to get the likes of an Amazon drivers to bring drawing paper to your door in a country that is allegedly in a lockdown

What was your thought process in thinking that was ‘essential’?

Because, if the authorities who implemented the lockdown intended for people only to be able to order things from Amazon that were 'essential', they would have (a) made that part of the terms of the lockdown, and (b) specified what those essential items were.

Again - the problem seems to be that your idea of 'lockdown' is very, very different from what has actually been implemented. I don't think the word 'lockdown' is actually particularly helpful, as it implies something it's not.

You, of course, would be free to further restrict your own activities as you see fit, but others should not feel compelled to do the same, and should not be criticised for it.

Tonyaster · 14/03/2020 22:04

If Amazon is still delivering and the driver just drops parcels outside, why does it matter what anyone orders Confused

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Bearbehind · 14/03/2020 22:07

You, of course, would be free to further restrict your own activities as you see fit, but others should not feel compelled to do the same, and should not be criticised for it.

This has summed up my thoughts here better than I could ever have done

Essentially it’s clearly a case of expecting people to deliver ‘stuff’ to their door or allow them to move unrestricted, in order that they’re not in any way put out by this

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Tonyaster · 14/03/2020 22:08

I think ordering paper so your kids stay cheerful is morally fine!

Original poster
Bearbehind · 14/03/2020 22:10

I think ordering paper so your kids stay cheerful is morally fine!

And I think that is the epitomise of lazy, selfish thinking when people are trying to restrict movement

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5zeds · 14/03/2020 22:10

Surely it makes no difference if your thermometer is delivered with crayons and reading books or by itself?

Pluckedpencil · 14/03/2020 22:12

You mix fairness with reality a lot.

Yes it's unfair that some people have jobs that require some risk because they involve a physical activity. Ask a nurse. But that's reality. Until the government choose to restrict further, that part of normality will continue. To push your argument to it's logical extreme, all factories should close too, all transport.

Yes it's unfair people who line in the country have more freedom in this situation. Again, it's just a reality.

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Bearbehind · 14/03/2020 22:13

Surely it makes no difference if your thermometer is delivered with crayons and reading books or by itself?

FFS

You don’t need to order any of this shit

Is that ever going to sink in?

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TrainspottingWelsh · 14/03/2020 22:13

Unless the poster ordering from amazon and the delivery driver are part of an underground rebellion to defy the Italian authorities via the medium of online shopping, it's clear their lockdown conditions allow it so there's no reason they shouldn't use it.

Perhaps op you should contact the WHO and tell them about how Italy is doing it all wrong. I'm sure they'd be delighted with your revised risk projections, your practical solutions to limit the damage to the economy and the logical manner you would undoubtedly present them in as you so clearly know more about the subject than every expert in Italy combined.

And fwiw feeding a horse is not the equivalent of walking a dog. Nor is getting someone with the time and experience to do them for you the equivalent of asking a friend to pop round and feed the cat.

And nor should we ever aspire to follow China's lead on animal welfare, at any time or whatever the situation so that's a barbaric argument to justify your bizarre proposals for how a lockdown should be implemented.

5zeds · 14/03/2020 22:19

Really? Thermometer not necessarily, how about oats for some gruel?

Tonyaster · 14/03/2020 22:22

You sound like you've argued yourself into a corner OP. If a delivery driver is happy to drive around leaving parcels outside in the same way that supermarkets are delivering food then what does it matter whats in the parcels?

ItsGoingTibiaK · 14/03/2020 22:23

Essentially it’s clearly a case of expecting people to deliver ‘stuff’ to their door or allow them to move unrestricted, in order that they’re not in any way put out by this

No. It's a case of people only being put out by this to the extent that is deemed necessary by the authorities who set out out the terms of the 'lockdown'.

Because there has to be an official line somewhere that sets who exactly how restrictive the terms of a 'lockdown' are. And that should be set by the authorities implementing the 'lockdown'. Not by you.

I don't know how you plan to live your life if and when a 'lockdown' is implemented but, I'm sure, it will be more luxurious than is strictly necessary. Some may argue that we should all stop using any electrical devices so that fewer people have to work in power stations. That we should all exist on nothing but gruel and water so that fewer people have to work in food manufacture and retail. That no medical care at all should be given to anyone so that fewer people have to work in healthcare. That 'lockdown' should mean 'lockdown' and no-one, whatever their role or importance, should ever leave the house. And so on, and so on. All of which might be the opinion of someone like you but, unless they are officially implemented, aren't going to happen.

The simple fact is, people are free to live their lives within any official restrictions that are given. Whether you like it or not.

ChristmasCarcass · 14/03/2020 22:36

Besr, you are clearly wanking yourself into a frenzy over the idea of animals dying in fields, marauding hordes rioting over toilet paper, the elderly dying neglected and uncared for in abandoned nursing homes, and the rest of us living on bread and water in a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Great, I am glad you are finding all of this so thrilling.

Maybe get yourself a room over there 👉
On your own, of course.

The rest of us will just stick to following government advice, which is a bit less extreme than yours.

NormaLouiseBates · 14/03/2020 22:38

@Eireni thank you for answering. I actually feel quite choked and emotional at the thought of not being able to get him veterinary help if he needed it Sad I think I'll call my vets on Monday just to ask if they've been discussing measures to put into place.

PuffinShop · 14/03/2020 22:46

I think OP is severely confused about the difference between isolation/quarantine for individuals and enforced social distancing / 'lockdown' for an entire population.

OP seems to think everyone should be in quarantine. But this would mean the complete breakdown of society and everyone would die. The avoidance of which would be the entire point of any such measures in the first place.

ChristmasCarcass · 14/03/2020 22:48

But this would mean the complete breakdown of society and everyone would die

I think the thought of this is what is exciting her...

YellowOranges · 14/03/2020 22:56

Those of you in countries with lockdowns, are nurseries still open? I’ve read that whilst schools have been closed in some areas, nurseries are still opened and was wondering how that worked!

nachthexe · 14/03/2020 23:07

We aren’t in lockdown (yet). Schools are still open in this province (but closed in others). But all events of over 250 people have been cancelled (including conferences/theatre/ sports), gatherings of over 50 people that include vulnerable populations or internationals are cancelled. DH’s work canteen has had all the chairs removed and people can go in, purchase pre-packed options and leave. They are also implementing a shift system from Monday with wfh eod. Social distancing is In force. Most universities have now moved to online classes, with mid-terms and finals being cancelled and alternatives being drummed up.
Sadly, the scrum that is the supermarket does not reflect the social distancing effort. The shelves are bare and people are travelling two hours out of the city to get to us, leaving nothing for the people who live here. I’d quite like some more restrictions on travel please...
Nowhere near lockdown yet.