How many people actually understand what a lockdown would involve?

[Bearbehind]

I realise there’s outrage about our governments handling of this but, on one hand we appear to have countless people insisting schools must shut now

And on the other hand we have people who-

• think they could still participate in their hobbies
• think a lock down would be over in a fortnight
• think they could go on a cheap holiday while the kids are off

How many people genuinely understand locking down now will be for months and you won’t be classed as ‘exceptional’ or ‘special’ - you’ll be expected to actually stay inside for the duration otherwise it achieves nothing.

Our local tesco and asda are out of diesel. It does beg the question where are folk going to go?

Bear I feel your being obtuse for the sake of it.

Lol! This is just the problem - me saying that the rules would have to apply to everyone, whatever they may be, is considered ‘obtuse’ by those who decide said rules wouldn't apply to them

I think people are trying to explain that some of the "rules" you describe probably wouldn't actually be the rules for a lockdown, although some may apply for a period of isolation if infected.

We live in Spain and the Madrid government have just issued a lockdown decree which comes into force on Monday. At first glance it looks very much like the Italian model. The only travel allowed will be to and from work (employees are expected to allow and enable homeworking wherever possible); to buy food; to buy pharmaceutical supplies; to see a doctor/attend a health centre. So no going for a run, taking the dog out etc unless you have your own land.

And people should have full tanks.. I got mine filled full two weeks ago and I keep it topped up..

You do realise that plenty of us don't only put £10 in rather than filling the tank just for jolly japes, don't you?

And people should have full tanks.. I got mine filled full two weeks ago and I keep it topped up

I’m baffled as to why that’s a necessity in a potential lockdown situation?

Bear
Are you a government advisor who is setting out the rules in case of a lockdown?
Because there are people on this thread, living NOW in lockdown, abiding by the rules of their lockdown and you're saying everyone is wrong?

Sandwich says (in the lockdown rules in Spain which are being implemented on Monday) the only travel is to and from work....so maybe people might choose travelling by car as the less risky option than public transport?

Yes, and sandwich also says you can’t walk your dog, or presumably go out to feed your horse, which are the examples we’ve been discussing

Yes but they didnt say you couldnt drive to work therefore you would need fuel (which you have, only a few posts up said was unneccessary) They also dont mention that you cant order stuff from amazon.....

Bearbehind
we are still waiting for your exact definition of a lock-down.

Still no food, no electricity, no medical care, no police, not fire fighters? For any of those to still exist, someone needs to be unlocked. And to ensure people stay "locked up", someone needs to be unlocked.

So please clarify...

flying the point I’ve being trying to make, but am seemingly spectacularly failing in, is that I completely understand some people ‘need’ fuel and some people ‘need’ things delivering to their home

The problem here appears to be huge difference between what I think is ‘needed’ and what others perceive to be ‘needed’

Key workers for example ‘need’ to get fuel to get to work

An Amazon driver delivering paper to bored kids isn’t on my list of what’s ‘needed’

And whilst I completely understand my opinion counts for nothing, this thread has illustrated the fact that we are going to experience massive issues because some people believe they ‘need’ much more than others

just it doesn’t really matter what the definition is

The fact is, whatever we are told to do, we should do

And the great British public aren’t going to take that well

We’ve already had an example on this thread of someone who, even if they had symptoms of CV and therefore has already been told by the government to stay inside for 7 days, has insisted they’d drive 5 miles to look after their horses

In the first instance of lockdown, it doesnt say only key workers are going to work (I think was more of social distancing....and some workplaces changing work patterns) I do something that is very non essential to most people but its essential to pay my bills so if I wasnt specifically told otherwise I would go to work, and consider driving rather than public transport to minimise contact with others.

I work in a bank and we've been told in the event of a countrywide quarantine the branches will still be open as we provide an essential service.

OP - your definition of 'need' doesn't include food and cleaning products, so I'm rather glad you are just shouting on the internet rather than having any official role.

A friend in Germany has jsut been told all children have to stay home for 5 weeks and avoid going out. Even with stockpiling, few people have enough food, medications and cleaning products to last over a month.

A too strict lockdown will create other problems, with people running out of basics they need.

Also there are no countries trying to lockdown to get rid of it all together, that's looking more like lockdown for 4-5 months. They are just trying to slow down the rates of contracting it. So they don't need it to be a total "everyone stay in their home!" just most people and those going out leaving their house for the minimal amount of time.

disgruntled I haven’t said people don’t need food.

Cleaning products I’m a bit more sceptical about because if you’re confided to your own home anyway it’s slightly less of an issue

I’m talking about the dog walking, horse caring, jogging, craft supply sourcing, takeaway ordering, going to the beach type of things

It’s clear there’s a pretty big divide between whether people deem these essential or not

But so long as you are isolated how is going outside a problem?

Eh?

Because for a huge number of people, going outside immediately means they’re no longer isolated

Not everyone lives on a country estate? 🤔

@NormaLouiseBates
Exactly 2 weeks if I hadn't got my dog to the vets he would have died. I'm not talking about taking him for a walk or for a routine vets appointment but a genuine "life or death" moment. What would happen in that situation?

Vets have a duty to provide 24/7 emergency care, so we legally cannot stop services altogether unless an act of Parliament is passed. My company is coming up with contingency plans for various scenarios at the moment but rest assured there will be some kind of service available if at all humanely possible.

Well, I'm glad of my yarn and fabric stash and all my patterns, not to mention a shelf of books waiting to be read!

I would probably endure a lock down better than most. I also have the paint ready for refreshing my conservatory and dining room walls. As long as I don't succumb to the virus it could be quite a productive time.

I'd give it all away for this not to be happening to our world, though.

Not everyone lives in a densely populated urban area. . Isn’t that why some people use some judgement?

Isn’t that why some people use some judgement?

So how do the government manage that?

Those who live on a country estate can do what they like but those who live in central London can’t?

Where is the demarcation line?

How much space do you have to have to be treated differently?

Or is it just easier to have a ‘one size fits all rule’?

People on the same road can have meters of outside space whilst others are in communal flats?

What do you suggest people with horses should do?

Cleaning products are quite vital if you're confined to your home and it turns out one of your household has CV. Presuming they have a mild form that doesn't require hospitalisation, shared bathrooms, loos, and other spaces need disinfecting daily or cleaning in bleach solution and similar precautions need to be taken with door handles, light switches, etc.

Here, Amazon are offering regular monthly deliveries of some disinfectants if you sign up for them. I noticed today when I wondered what they could deliver, as I live in a country that is likely to be in shutdown very soon.

What do you suggest people with horses should do?

If they only have to self isolate then get someone else to look after them

In a full lockdown situation, I’ve no idea

This is the point though

If the government enforces rules, you have to abide by them whatever the consequences, in order for them to be effective, and I don’t think we’re prepared to do that as a country

Hence closing schools etc isn’t going to achieve much as we don’t have the mentality to actually put ourselves out in order to stop this spreading