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To ignore BJ's COBRA advice to send kids to school whilst Rep of Ireland has closed schools for 2 weeks

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100percentSunshine · 12/03/2020 18:13

Just interested to know how others feel....

We are all expecting the exponential growth of the Covid 19 to take place in the next 1- 2 weeks.

I was gobsmacked by today's news that following the COBRA meeting, BJ has resolved to keep schools open.

Is anyone considering keeping their child/ren off school despite government briefing?

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LuluJakey1 · 12/03/2020 23:35

It is such a changing situation.

Tonight France, Belgium, the whole of Spain, Bavaria and Ontario have announced schools will all be closing. The rest of Germany is likely to follow. That is on top of Austria, Malta, Italy, Ireland, Israel, Turkey, Denmark, Norway, Lithuania, whole regions of Holland, Hong Kong.

DH and I are really worried now. He is really torn as a parent and a Headteacher. We understand what the government's thinking is but why are all these other countries experts thinking so differently to ours.

France has said they may close their borders. Many have stopped any large gatherings, including football matches. Everyone else seems to have much stricter procedures at airports and ports for people arriving. We have none of it.

The lengthy discussion on Question Time tonight about how it is being handled was worrying. Stephen Barclay was pompous and really weak in his responses to coronavirus planning.

We have decided we will send DS1 to school and DD to nursery tomorrow but see what happens over the weekend and decide about next week then.

DH has spoken to a friend who works for a large local authority at director level who says he is absolutely sure schools will close next week- they were fully expecting it today.

We watched Hospital tonight and the conditions in A and E were terrible - 20 hour wait to be seen at one point, and that was last year. Imagine how they will cope with this.

Sakura7 · 12/03/2020 23:36

Fully agree with your posts mathanxiety

I know which of the two countries I feel safer in right now.

Trichford · 12/03/2020 23:38

Yip as of tomorrow mine are off. I feel this government is more about the economy than people's health. My kids my choice, I'm in a fortunate position to be able to make this choice and appreciate that not everyone can.
I think everyone's situation is different and you need to do what you see fit.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 12/03/2020 23:43

mathanxiety

Ok, but this isn't going to be over quickly.

Can countries afford to bank roll morotoriums on mortgages and bills for extended periods of time? Can they afford to lose all the taxes etc?

Who knows. It will be interesting to see what happens when China lifts its restrictions. Will there be a resurgence? What knock on effects will there be from the lockdown?

theflushedzebra · 12/03/2020 23:44

The Easter Holidays could be a gift to us - close schools for a couple of weeks, then Easter Hols.With a ban on mass gatherings, and everyone following rules to socially distance, then the spread would have to be reduced.

I cannot see the logic in doing virtually nothing, and letting more people get it. Ireland etc have the right idea.

mathanxiety · 12/03/2020 23:46

Can they afford to see huge numbers of people die?
Can they afford to take over all large halls and facilities and convert them into isolation units?
Can they lay their hands on the ventilators they will need if it is allowed to spread uncontrolled?
Are there enough medical personnel to deal with the completely predictable acute crisis that will happen unless steps are taken to slow the spread?

mathanxiety · 12/03/2020 23:51

Hearhooves
www.cnn.com/2020/03/09/europe/ireland-cancels-st-patricks-day-trnd/index.html
Ireland is putting together an aid package of nearly $3.5 billion for sick pay, liquidity funding for businesses and support funding, according to Varadkar and Minister for Health Simon Harris.

All sensible plans that can be put in place when a government takes science seriously...

theflushedzebra · 12/03/2020 23:58

The problem with letting everyone get it, is that everyone gets it. Including essential workers, including parents. Including govt, civil service, HCP, teachers, shop workers, bin men.

And they can't work then either, because they're ill and they may die. Rather just not being able to work because they've got to hole up at home looking after the kids for a few weeks, preventing the spread.

SciFiRules · 13/03/2020 00:03

I really don't think that this bug is going to be as bad as we fear. Kids going to school and us to work u until the advice changes.

Random18 · 13/03/2020 00:14

math

Well I throw up my hands in horror and disbelief then. And if you are representative of the UK population's understanding of science or decision making, I wish you all well.

Jesus wept

Thanks. I needed that laugh tonight.

Your comments say a lot more about you than me!!

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 13/03/2020 00:28

math

The chancellor laid out a £12bn Coronavirus funding package in the budget yesterday.

somanydevices · 13/03/2020 00:55

I really don't think that this bug is going to be as bad as we fear. Kids going to school and us to work u until the advice changes

And you're basing this on what, exactly?

You do know, don't you, that the medics in hospitals in Italy are so overwhelmed by sick people, they're having to decide who to use their limited resources on i.e. who lives or dies. They're prioritising those most likely to live and leaving those not, to likely die.

This is what is coming our way:

This is the English translation of a post of another ICU physician in Bergamo, Dr. Daniele Macchini. Read until the end "After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible.

I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder.

I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly "emptied", elective activitieswere interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.

All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity.

I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I've seen what's happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.

The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.

The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.

Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. [post continues comparing covid19 to flu, link below]. And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is"temporarily" put in crisis, the epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.

Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.

Reasons for the access always the same: fever and breathing difficulties, fever and cough, respiratory failure. Radiology reports always the same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All to be hospitalized.

Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it's too late... Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before.

The staff is exhausted. I saw the tiredness on faces that didn't know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask "what can I do for you now?"

Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we can't save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny.

There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols.
Silvia Stringhini
@silviast9

Some of our colleagues who are infected also have infected relatives and some of their relatives are already struggling between life and death. So be patient, you can't go to the theatre, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate.

We just try to make ourselves useful. You should do the same: we influence the life and death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share this message. We must spread the word to prevent what is happening here from happening all over Italy."

I finish by saying that I really don't understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there's no mask on sale anymore. We don't have a lot of studies, but is it panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort?

twitter.com/silviast9/status/1236933818654896129

somanydevices · 13/03/2020 00:59

Can they afford to see huge numbers of people die?

Depends what you mean by "afford".

Boris made it absolutely plain today, that his priority isn't keeping as many of us alive. I don't know what it is, but it's not that.

I could hazard a guess that he's motivated by power and wanting not to upset his grand Brexit legacy. (Which will be a shit show, but perhaps his ego hasn't cottoned on to that yet).

So, it depends on what costs matter to them. Boris made it plain, human life isn't one of them. Well, not us plebs anyway.

Parker231 · 13/03/2020 01:10

The only people I have heard of wanting schools to close are SAHP’s. Everyone who works wants and needs the schools to stay home.

For those wanting schools to close, I assume you still want hospitals staffed and shops open? If the schools close, everything will grind to a halt as parents stay off work with their DC’s.

eeeyoresmiles · 13/03/2020 01:18

The only people I have heard of wanting schools to close are SAHP’s. Everyone who works wants and needs the schools to stay home.

Funny, I've been on many of the same threads as you and I know there have been working parents (not all of whom work from home although obviously a lot do) who have said they would support this.

Thinking about the thread title - did BJ actually advise us to send kids to school? Or did he just explain why he wouldn't be shutting schools today?

JeepersC · 13/03/2020 01:26

Just to add to mathanxiety's excellent comments, the Irish PM will have taken the hippocratic oath. I wouldn't trust Boris to swear as to how many children he pays for.

TBH this FUCKING VIRUS has negatively, perhaps life threateningly impacted my life in its short span on Earth. I fucking hate it.

Varadkar really has shown excellent though unpopular decision making on other issues so I do trust him.

Ess201 · 13/03/2020 01:27

Mine has been off for two days. My partner has been admitted to hospital and it is serious. I’m now in a right quandary - do I now send my child back in and risk him giving it to my partner or are we are risk of getting it anyway as we are visiting him in hospital therefore is it pointless. I really don’t know but my partner can’t risk getting it either which way! I was expecting schools to be shut as a measure from today

JeepersC · 13/03/2020 01:27

NI needs to be locked down however as long as it follows British advice.

theflushedzebra · 13/03/2020 01:28

We can all get our kids off school now by saying they have a temperature or a cough. Boris has advised they are isolated for at least 7 days - and advised that they don't contact a GP or 111 for mild symptoms - so I would suggest that anyone that can do this easily does. Reduce the circulation as far as possible.

I can do this for 2 of my dc, but the third is taking A levels this summer, so I wouldn't take him out now. But we're on our own now - Boris has made that clear. We're all collateral damage potentially. We have to take action as far as possible to protect ourselves.

JeepersC · 13/03/2020 01:28

Stop visiting your partner

JeepersC · 13/03/2020 01:32

People seem reluctant to accept the idea that the world has ceased to function as we know it.

JeepersC · 13/03/2020 01:39

As for random18. I truly hope you are a randomer and not typical.

confusedandtired99 · 13/03/2020 01:41

Yes I will be keeping mine off and socially distancing

confusedandtired99 · 13/03/2020 01:43

I’m not a stay at home mum by the way... not that it matters. I’m just fortunate to be able to decide on my own hours as I’m self employed

Ess201 · 13/03/2020 01:45

jeepersC-
Stop visiting my partner? I could do that but my quandary is should I pull my child out of school for foreseeable... when he comes out of hospital in a week or maybe 2 just as the pandemic heightens he can’t afford to catch it (if he manages not to now) so not sure if us isolating right now is better as preventative.. I agree that life is not normal right now ...

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