Why are people so dim?!

[Butterbear86]

I’ve just had to attend out of hours - it really couldn’t wait - and on arrival minor injuries was lockdown for deep cleaning because someone had just shown up with flu like symptoms after returning from Italy in the last week or so. I mean there are signs outside the hospital. Inside the hospital. Everywhere.
So they’d closed it and moved everyone up from MI to OOH - and they had to take details from people who had been sat in the waiting area with him because if he has it they’ve also been potentially exposed. Then they announced they were also closing OOH because staff from MI had been up and down the corridors so they were going to deep clean the whole lot.

This is why we are done for. People cannot follow advice to stay area and go and sit in busy waiting rooms, ignoring signs expressly telling them not to do precisely that.

NHS advice is to not visit hospitals or clinics if you have returned from an affected area and have symptoms.

Do you really expect everybody to stop going to urgent care?

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/advice-for-travellers/

The advice is here to read.

Because people seem to think that the measures don't apply to them. Or that it's a sign of weakness to follow them.

Yy, @ElizabethMountbatten. I was utterly debilitated with flu, and lost two stone in weight. Even taking a drink of water felt like running a marathon.

Back in 2009 I called 111 as dd2 was poorly & had symptoms of swine flu. I was told by 111 that it wasn’t swine flu and to take to go. Remember that during this time message was don’t go to doctors surgeries, so if I go and get blasted by go as dd2 has swine flu..I did explain it was 111 that told me over the phone dd2 didn’t have swine flu and I thought she had

So I wouldn’t be surprised now if 111 don’t always give the correct message

I blame 'Information Overload'. We are surrounded by SO MANY signs, notices, posters etc.....when you drive, if you were to actually look at every warning sign etc, you would never actually look at the road ahead.
It's become normal to ignore them now.

Now that it is actually an important message (rather than the zillionth 'no parking' sign) people will just not see them.

flaxmeadow
No, they closed whilst I was there. It wasn’t a rumour, it happened just as I arrived at the hospital. The patient hadn’t called 111, they’d just gone and sat in minor injuries, which clearly isn’t the correct place anyway. Seemingly he was well enough to walk in on his own and take a seat. A nurse came out and made an announcement to the waiting room and then a doctor came out and said not only was MI closing, but OOH as well. He may not have CV. The problem is the unit had to close to be deep cleaned and the costs associated with that - and of course if he does turn out to have CV that’s even worse.

And no, my issue was a t1 diabetes issue and it couldn’t wait. It definitely wasn’t coronavirus though!

@Supersimkin2

Nadine Dorries will be even more useful now she's got corona

You may see a minister as an easy target for your wise crack comment but do I need to remind you she is a human being like you and me and she has an 84 yo mother who lives with her who could die if she catches CV.

bd67th they assume being rural everyone drives. Especially with so few public transport options now. My concern was not only those who cannot drive anyway but people who were experiencing such symptoms are expected to drive, and, on dangerous roads, but nope it's the only way according to their SM.

The fact is it's cheaper for a test centre to be put there as its closer to South Wales. Sod everyone living in the no mans land of mid Wales. Or as an ex MP put it "you live somewhere nice and pretty you can't expect everything" - his response everytime another service closed.

Those who have mentioned it, like myself have been slammed on social media for 'scaremongering'.

elizabethmonbatten my healthboard thinks people can drive with it and so have only opened one testing centre upto two hours away, with strict instructions the person suffering is to drive themselves.

Even the police have had a commonsense by pass and plastered it all over their social media (though their use of social media and common sense is lacking too).

I'm not surprised, people are in denial and like to blame everyone else but themselves for their actions. There are too many people who do not take responsibility for themselves, do not think of others and have no awareness of what is going on around them.

Wales has the lowest bed ratio of the country I think ? Mid Wales is badly under resourced for Health care, but all of rural Wales is a problem.
I have been on other threads trying to impress this on people who may come to rural Wales on holiday over Easter. We are a very vulnerable community that needs to slow viral spread as much as possible.

Driving with flu like symptoms is unlikely to impair your ability to drive safely

It really is! I wouldn't drive with the flu unless it was a very short distance and certainly not for two hours (and two hours back). Sometimes I've felt bad enough with a simple but nasty cold that I have driven to the railway station to collect DH and got him to drive back. It's only 7 minutes.

sirvix

Yes all of rural Wales has difficulties, but mid is the worst, with so many closures. Recently they've announce the secondary base for out of hours in my county is to close (supposedly temporarily but, experience suggests it's permanent) and people are to travel 90 minutes to Carmarthen instead. If a person can't then in theory the dr will go see them, but given there is a maximum of two that very rarely happens.

Unfortunately it's not only on MN I've seen people saying this rubbish about going to mid Wales on holiday, or rural Scotland (similar issues I'd imagine) as we currently don't have any cases people are viewing it as "safe".

The advice is here to read.

That advice is for
people travelling abroad.
people who are online

Where is the NHS advice for
people not planning a holiday,
people not online, for example millions of elderly people (the demographic most at risk)

Stupidity is a group returning from Italy and self isolating from work - but thinking its acceptable to go to the local pub. Yup it’s been done by some people .....,.

Yes, Becca, it is a nightmare. Glangwili is not coping well anyway, Casualty there has horrendously long waits, as it covers such a huge area. Withybush has no provision for children, so people geographically closer to Haverfordwest in Pembrokeshire also often end up going to Glangwili instead. relatives in mid Wales (Powys) end up going to Hereford normally.
Couple that with the older age group in rural Wales , very, very worrying.

And the issue with going over the border now is becoming more prominent as well with more being advised to go to their local hospital in Wales (most likely due to NHS Wales ignoring bills. Again)

The healthboard have blocked me from their SM.
I'm taking it as a compliment. Idiots.

I have a totally dim Facebook friend. Went to Rome on Sunday. Had to fly back yesterday. Refusing to self isolate as she is too busy. Spent today in North London going from supermarket to supermarket as she is out of things. Then back to work tomorrow. I despair.

To clarify I'm not blaming glanwili, or any other hospitals with cut services but the map of hospitals across Wales is extremely telling with just bronglais for mid Wales (another struggling massively).

claire yes. I've seen similar. That and someone doing poll about what to do with their "free extra two weeks holidays" and where to go in the uk. Both blocked me after it became clear they fancied mid Wales as its "safe".

But then there's also the people confirmed being sent home yet their companies saying colleagues who have been in contact with them must continue to work.

[lost a sentence there] As its "safe" and I pointed out its totally inappropriate to spend your isolation in a rural, vulnerable community.

I remember when there was a nasty flu doing the rounds. I was lying in a bay in A&E waiting for to be admitted for hours (I arrived breakfast time and got a bed by evening). There was a poor confused old woman in the next bay who just shrieked all day.

I lost count of the number of people who strolled in:

I'm illllllllll
I have a cough (couch-cough)
I think I have a temperature
Maybe I have this flu?
I'm not feeling very well

Lots of tourists. Staff patiently explaining that they don't have the flu and to take a painkiller and go to bed if necessary (no, they can't give these out nor prescribe antibiotics).

By the end I was yelling from behind the curtain 'it's only a cold - it's a bloody cold. This is the Accident and Emergency!!!!!' (I didnt really but I felt like it).