To think people may have already had coronavirus?

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I had pneumonia recently, pretty severe, hospitalised. Everyone I've told has said, 'it's weird how many people have said they've had pneumonia in the last month or two.' Yes I know it's the season for these things but it's a bit unusual that so many young and fit people have had pneumonia.

Just out of interest, has anyone you know had pneumonia in the last month or so (in the UK)?

FGS, people complaining about a relatively mild disease that didn't involve pneumonia, will have had one of many viruses circulating in Winter, including one type of coronavirus, WHICH IS NOT COVID-19.

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/256521#transmission

"Coronaviruses will infect most people at some time during their lifetime."

"Symptoms include:
sneezing
runny nose
fatigue
cough
fever in rare cases
sore throat
exacerbated asthma"

"Doctors currently recognize seven types of coronavirus that can infect humans.
Common types include:
229E (alpha coronavirus)
NL63 (alpha coronavirus)
OC43 (beta coronavirus)
HKU1 (beta coronavirus)"

Every time someone posts that they think they had covid-19 already, three lurkers who are supposed to be self isolating after skiing in Northern Italy say 'fuckit' and take their kids to softplay.

All many are saying that as CV was active in early december, then why is it not possible that some in the West couldn't have gotten CV19 earlier than the official dates?
My illness in early Jan ticks every box in the list of CV symptoms inc shortness of breath a week after the fever, low SATs fainting, dry (ish) cough for a month plus i had a vaccination, so should have gotten a mild version of seasonal flu, if at all.

However, i do accept that there may well be an element of wishful thinking that i ve already had it!! :)

It was active in a small region in China but still incipient. If it was the case that it had spread, as suggested in this thread, it would have been noticed through different observations.

I'm not saying there couldn't have been a small number of isolated cases, that didn't go further. But the data don't suggest it at all.
We are talking very small numbers at the start.
Certainly not all the supposed possible cases reported in this thread.

plus i had a vaccination, so should have gotten a mild version of seasonal flu, if at all.
Sadly, that is not in any way guaranteed.

This thread is a wonderful example of magic thinking.
Bojo would be proud.

My son who was 7 months old was admitted for a week on IV drugs for bad pneumonia - this took 5 weeks to diagnose and we kept being told he would get better it was just viral. I broke down and demanded an X-ray. He was very ill by that point

That was early December

Well that proves it then Sassen Because viral pneumonia was unheard of in infants before COVID 19 .

Proves what? I saw someone ask if people had pneumonia I was adding my very recent very frightening experience, I didn’t say he had Coronavirus

You realise you are being a dick about a sick baby? Jesus this place sometimes

And it wasn’t bloody viral was it! He had bacterial pneumonia and needed antibiotics on a drip. You ever seen a drip being put in a baby??

Someone said anybody had pneumonia lately, I was Adding in yes my son - that’s all

Thats a bit uncalled for, I took Sassen's post to be pointing out illnesses like this are always around. They did not suggest their dc had CV - even stating they had IV antibiotics, therefore it was bacterial, not viral.

Sassen, I hope dc is fully recovered now

Sorry Sassen, cross post as I didn't refresh first

Thank you MrsStrangerThing

It was one of the worst things I’ve been through as a mum, am really annoyed at myself for getting upset over that post

It must have been terrifying when you didn't know what was wrong! I think your post highlights that anyone can get pneumonia!

Unfortunately some people don't read posts properly and just like to jump on, your post was very clear to me.

Tbh thanks to mumsnet and reading other experiences I worked out it was pneumonia but couldn’t get the drs to believe me. As it turns out his chest sounded clear but he was very very ill. I saw some frightening things during those 5 weeks because trust me on this, the nhs struggled massively with the winter bugs this year. One dr told me it was the worst it’s been in decades. People were queuing up right out the door of children’s a&e, sick kids sitting on the floor. This whole corona virus on top of all that is a scary thought. Ds is recovered now and follow up lung X-ray was clear

I had a conversation with my waxing lady yesterday who is convinced her and her family had it a few weeks ago. All hacking dry coughs, high temperatures, feeling utterly floored. She said it went through them one by one and they all just stayed at home away from work/school and rode it out. As everybody says, it's the "season" but she said it was nothing like she'd had before and it wasn't until all the current publicity that she gave it any real thought. Who knows?

I think it's been a bad season for ordinary viruses. I haven't had anything badly, because I'm not in a group which is at elevated risk, but as I was discussing on another thread, one healthy adult's mild cold can be life-threatening for the very young and the very elderly.

Frankly, I haven't had so many colds in quick succession since I flatshared with multiple filthy buggers as a student!

I had a conversation with my waxing lady yesterday who is convinced her and her family had it a few weeks ago.

A few weeks ago, she should have contacted a help line or the GP to report it. They'd decide to investigate or not.

There will be cases around, now, that are indeed under the radar and it would be irresponsible to ignore them and spread it.

But, tbh, that is true of any nasty virus. I'm glad they basically stayed at home.

Every winter there is at least a thread commenting on a bad virus going around that is nothing like the people who had it had ever had. With long lasting coughs, etc. It's just that until you get one of those, it doesn't register on your radar

@Lweji I think this was before there was this enormous amount of publicity. She's a sensible lady, her mother is massively immuno-compromised so she took the precaution of cancelling appointments (she works from home) and kept kids off school, husband off work until they recovered. I do wonder if it might be sensible to report?

At this point, probably not. If whatever they have has been passed on, there will be other people actively ill who will be flagged.

She might want to ring the GP and ask for advice anyway.

Yes I think that's a good idea. I'll text her.

According to John Campbell, they're working on an antibody test, so it should eventually be possible to retrospectively test of people have had it.

my family and I became ill in January with cough, fever, aches, even though we all have flu vaccine. when the coronavirus started hitting the media more in feb I did actually wonder if it was already circulating and I have googled for government stats on this years flu season.
here is the link:it would be interesting to read the February stats when they get released:

I think I am reading it correct that it has been a fairly uneventful January for flu cases:
www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-flu-levels-according-to-phe-statistics-2019-to-2020
*LATEST UPDATE
THE LATEST PUBLIC HEALTH ENGLAND (PHE) REPORT PUBLISHED AT 2PM ON 30 JANUARY 2020, SHOWS THAT SEASONAL FLU CONTINUES TO CIRCULATE ACROSS THE UK, ALTHOUGH ACTIVITY IS DECREASING.

OVER THE LAST WEEK, GP CONSULTATIONS WITH FLU-LIKE ILLNESS DECREASED FROM 10.3 PER 100,000 TO 9.0 PER 100,000 AND CONTINUE TO STAY BELOW BASELINE LEVELS.

FLU HOSPITALISATION AND INTENSIVE CARE ADMISSION RATES ALSO DECREASED FROM 1.39 PER 100,000 TO 1.05 PER 100,000 AND 0.13 PER 100,000 TO 0.10 PER 100,000 RESPECTIVELY – SUGGESTING FLU IS HAVING A LOW IMPACT ON HOSPITAL ADMISSIONS AS WELL AS INTENSIVE CARE UNIT AND HIGH DEPENDENCY UNIT ADMISSIONS.

THE REPORT ALSO SHOWS THAT IN WEEK 4, 2020, STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT EXCESS ALL-CAUSE MORTALITY BY WEEK OF DEATH HAD BEEN SEEN OVERALL IN ENGLAND.

CURRENTLY, 71.6% OF ADULTS OVER 65, 43.1% OF ADULTS WITH A LONG-TERM HEALTH CONDITION, 42.8% OF PREGNANT WOMEN, 41.8% OF 3-YEAR-OLDS AND 41.1% OF 2-YEAR-OLDS HAVE RECEIVED THE FLU VACCINE.

AT THE SAME TIME LAST YEAR, 71.2% OF ADULTS OVER 65, 46.7% OF ADULTS WITH A LONG-TERM HEALTH CONDITION, 44.8% OF PREGNANT WOMEN, 45.0% OF 3-YEAR-OLDS AND 43.0% OF 2-YEAR-OLDS WERE VACCINATED.*

DH had pneumonia before Christmas. It was weird for him as he is super fit and is rarely ill. I doubt any of these anecdotes are related to coronovirus though, I think it is an availability error.