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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel’s message- don’t hide Muslims

40 replies

justanotherpassword · 04/04/2026 08:54

Article in the NY times. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/01/world/middleeast/lebanon-shiite-israel-evacuation.html

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Bringemout · 04/04/2026 09:22

Thats not quite what the article says does it. They aren’t being moved because they are muslim it’s because they are shiite and present a security threat inside occupied areas. Plus don’t worry, Hezbollah is now threatening the Christian’s and Druze despite it being a directive from Israel so it appears they provide a security threat to non shiite Lebanese as well. Hezbollah are also threatening civil war if anyone tries to disarm them. There is a reason the rest of Lebanon is sick to death of Hezbollah. Most of it’s supporters don’t seem to even live in Lebanon. This isn’t some sort of religiously motivated hate move its a pragmatic military decision.

The article specifically says that last time people were welcomed in and this time not so much. There were multiple problems last time with hezbollah affiliated people taking over apartments, not paying rent and threatening people. Despite this most communities in Lebanon have been welcoming to displaced people (a testament to the generosity of Lebanese imo).

This is what happens when you let an Iranian proxy take over your country. The government seems unable to disarm them despite 79% of Lebanese believing only the armed forces should have arms (not militia groups).

The solution is Hezbollah turns its weapons over to the actual government of Lebanon and stops firing into Israel. They should have abided by the ceasefire agreement and prioritised Lebanon over Iran.

And before some fool starts banging on about greater Israel, Israel occupied southern lebanon for 20 years, (don’t get too excited about that, Syria occupied it for 30) and there are no Israeli settlements. Ditto the Sinai. They could have completely annexed it at any point and they haven’t. Egypt and Jordan both have peace treaties with Israel, there is no conflict there, they also have trading partnerships with both countries, gas and water.

TomeTome · 04/04/2026 09:55

Maybe stop occupying areas and then you won’t need to “move” people at all?

LassiKopiano24 · 04/04/2026 10:14

Feel sorry for the Lebanese people having to live like this, so unfair, not safe from Israel, not safe from its own country

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 10:27

Bringemout · 04/04/2026 09:22

Thats not quite what the article says does it. They aren’t being moved because they are muslim it’s because they are shiite and present a security threat inside occupied areas. Plus don’t worry, Hezbollah is now threatening the Christian’s and Druze despite it being a directive from Israel so it appears they provide a security threat to non shiite Lebanese as well. Hezbollah are also threatening civil war if anyone tries to disarm them. There is a reason the rest of Lebanon is sick to death of Hezbollah. Most of it’s supporters don’t seem to even live in Lebanon. This isn’t some sort of religiously motivated hate move its a pragmatic military decision.

The article specifically says that last time people were welcomed in and this time not so much. There were multiple problems last time with hezbollah affiliated people taking over apartments, not paying rent and threatening people. Despite this most communities in Lebanon have been welcoming to displaced people (a testament to the generosity of Lebanese imo).

This is what happens when you let an Iranian proxy take over your country. The government seems unable to disarm them despite 79% of Lebanese believing only the armed forces should have arms (not militia groups).

The solution is Hezbollah turns its weapons over to the actual government of Lebanon and stops firing into Israel. They should have abided by the ceasefire agreement and prioritised Lebanon over Iran.

And before some fool starts banging on about greater Israel, Israel occupied southern lebanon for 20 years, (don’t get too excited about that, Syria occupied it for 30) and there are no Israeli settlements. Ditto the Sinai. They could have completely annexed it at any point and they haven’t. Egypt and Jordan both have peace treaties with Israel, there is no conflict there, they also have trading partnerships with both countries, gas and water.

They aren’t being moved because they are muslim it’s because they are shiite and present a security threat inside occupied areas.

What all of 'them'? When do 'they' become a 'threat' the moment they are born because small babies are being displaced multiple times just because they were born Shiite. If you don't see a problem with this then you are part of the problem.

Ihatetomatoes · 04/04/2026 10:47

LassiKopiano24 · 04/04/2026 10:14

Feel sorry for the Lebanese people having to live like this, so unfair, not safe from Israel, not safe from its own country

I agree the poor people in the middle. It feels like they are attempting to drive away Hezbollah who are hiding:

"Local leaders took the messages as a clear signal: Israel is trying to force out one group in the south — Shiites, who are from the same sect as Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed militant group that Israel is trying to vanquish."

How do you stop a terrorist group lobbing missiles at your country. Hezbollah didn't need to enter this war. I'm not saying clearing the area is right though. What is the answer. The Lebanon government don't seem to be able to stop the terrorists either.

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 14:01

Hezbollah and Hamas ... both do nothing but cause misery to the people around them. Feel sorry for the Lebanese people.

Boolabus · 04/04/2026 14:03

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 10:27

They aren’t being moved because they are muslim it’s because they are shiite and present a security threat inside occupied areas.

What all of 'them'? When do 'they' become a 'threat' the moment they are born because small babies are being displaced multiple times just because they were born Shiite. If you don't see a problem with this then you are part of the problem.

They've always got an excuse as to why certain people are not innocent.

If you don't see a problem with this then you are part of the problem.
Absolutely agree it's amazing the mental gymnastics people go through to justify the unjustifiable.

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 14:07

Boolabus · 04/04/2026 14:03

They've always got an excuse as to why certain people are not innocent.

If you don't see a problem with this then you are part of the problem.
Absolutely agree it's amazing the mental gymnastics people go through to justify the unjustifiable.

Well some people aren't innocent are they? Hamas and Hezbollah militants aren't innocent, they are terrorists. That's not an "excuse" it's reality.

Boolabus · 04/04/2026 14:11

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 14:07

Well some people aren't innocent are they? Hamas and Hezbollah militants aren't innocent, they are terrorists. That's not an "excuse" it's reality.

All shiites in the region are not Hamas or hezbollah but seem to be treated as such by the IDF, that's also a reality, and once again it is suggesting there are no innocent's when it comes to Palestinians and now shiites.

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 14:20

I wonder what the reaction would be if all Jews were being removed from a 'buffer zone' around the West Bank because of the actions of Jewish terrorists there? Some Jewish people aren't innocent are they so it's not an 'excuse' it's reality.

I don't think anyone would argue that Palestinians wouldn't be safer without Jewish people there. Is it right to ethnically cleanse them all of them because of the actions of some of them though? I'd hope that the answer would be obvious.

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 14:25

Boolabus · 04/04/2026 14:11

All shiites in the region are not Hamas or hezbollah but seem to be treated as such by the IDF, that's also a reality, and once again it is suggesting there are no innocent's when it comes to Palestinians and now shiites.

No they aren’t but I was responding to the comment that “they’ve always got an excuse “ … it’s not just an excuse that Hezbollah are a security risk.

TomeTome · 04/04/2026 14:40

Belonging to the same sect of Islam is no more an indication of guilt than being Jewish implies you support the slaughter of Palestinians.
Sunni or Shiite, Catholic or Protestant, it is a distinction in approach to the same belief. There are orthodox and less Orthodox Jews (I’m sorry I don’t know the correct terminology). Would the rounding up and expulsion of one group be acceptable in Israel?

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 14:41

TomeTome · 04/04/2026 14:40

Belonging to the same sect of Islam is no more an indication of guilt than being Jewish implies you support the slaughter of Palestinians.
Sunni or Shiite, Catholic or Protestant, it is a distinction in approach to the same belief. There are orthodox and less Orthodox Jews (I’m sorry I don’t know the correct terminology). Would the rounding up and expulsion of one group be acceptable in Israel?

Well some people certainly wouldn't object going by this thread. They would just respond talking about how big a security threat some of them are.

TomeTome · 04/04/2026 14:42

The thing is @Twiglets1 for the rest of the world Israel and the US are the “security risk”. Their actions are abhorrent to most and the repercussions are plunging us all into uncertainty.

Boolabus · 04/04/2026 14:51

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 14:25

No they aren’t but I was responding to the comment that “they’ve always got an excuse “ … it’s not just an excuse that Hezbollah are a security risk.

Hezbollah are a security risk so all shiites are fair game? That's my point always a reason why innocents have to get treated like combatants, you wouldn't accept it for other groups of people but excuse it when it's Israel

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 14:52

TomeTome · 04/04/2026 14:42

The thing is @Twiglets1 for the rest of the world Israel and the US are the “security risk”. Their actions are abhorrent to most and the repercussions are plunging us all into uncertainty.

I appreciate that for some people Israel and the US are as much of a security risk as Iran and their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah appear to me.

However, you don't speak for "the rest of the world" - Israel and the US have many who support them too.

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 14:52

Boolabus · 04/04/2026 14:51

Hezbollah are a security risk so all shiites are fair game? That's my point always a reason why innocents have to get treated like combatants, you wouldn't accept it for other groups of people but excuse it when it's Israel

No I didn't say that and don't believe that so please don't put words into my mouth.

Boolabus · 04/04/2026 15:00

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 14:52

No I didn't say that and don't believe that so please don't put words into my mouth.

I'm not putting words in your mouth.

You responded to my post about there always being an excuse:

No they aren’t but I was responding to the comment that “they’ve always got an excuse “ … it’s not just an excuse that Hezbollah are a security risk.

By mentioning Hezbollah are a security risk, no one ever said they weren't we were talking about innocent shiites being treated as combatants by Israel, good to know you don't agree with that, but your posts suggested you felt differently about it.

200yearsinthemaking · 04/04/2026 16:37

Boolabus · 04/04/2026 14:03

They've always got an excuse as to why certain people are not innocent.

If you don't see a problem with this then you are part of the problem.
Absolutely agree it's amazing the mental gymnastics people go through to justify the unjustifiable.

This ^^

Francine84 · 04/04/2026 18:56

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 14:01

Hezbollah and Hamas ... both do nothing but cause misery to the people around them. Feel sorry for the Lebanese people.

Yes Hezbollah and Hamas… Except the common denominator here is Israel, which has attacked 7 of their neighbouring countries in the last 5 years, and counting…

Why are Israel attacking Iran and Lebanon? Why are they bombing civilian buildings in Beirut?

Israel is a rogue state and the sooner people like you realise that they are committing genocide and constantly trying to expand into land that IS NOT THEIRS the better for all of us living in this world.

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 19:11

Francine84 · 04/04/2026 18:56

Yes Hezbollah and Hamas… Except the common denominator here is Israel, which has attacked 7 of their neighbouring countries in the last 5 years, and counting…

Why are Israel attacking Iran and Lebanon? Why are they bombing civilian buildings in Beirut?

Israel is a rogue state and the sooner people like you realise that they are committing genocide and constantly trying to expand into land that IS NOT THEIRS the better for all of us living in this world.

The common denominator is Iran who funds them both.

I'm sure you already know some reasons why the US & Israel are at war with Iran so why ask? They are attacking Lebanon because Hezbollah is attacking them in support of Iran, but you must know that too.

Edited to add that I will agree that Israel committed genocide when and if the international court case determines that they did so. They have access to all the information and evidence, I don't.

SummerFeverVenice · 04/04/2026 19:23

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 10:27

They aren’t being moved because they are muslim it’s because they are shiite and present a security threat inside occupied areas.

What all of 'them'? When do 'they' become a 'threat' the moment they are born because small babies are being displaced multiple times just because they were born Shiite. If you don't see a problem with this then you are part of the problem.

Yeah, so disingenuous. It’s like if the UK decided in 1980 and then 1990 to displace all catholics in NI to designated catholic tent camps while demolishing all catholic towns and neighbourhoods because “they’re a security threat”, and then pretend that’s not anything to do with their religion.

SummerFeverVenice · 04/04/2026 19:25

They are attacking Lebanon because Hezbollah is attacking them in support of Iran, but you must know that too.

Amazing foresight given that Israel has been bombing and invading Lebanon nonstop for two whole years before Israel attacked Iran!

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 19:27

SummerFeverVenice · 04/04/2026 19:25

They are attacking Lebanon because Hezbollah is attacking them in support of Iran, but you must know that too.

Amazing foresight given that Israel has been bombing and invading Lebanon nonstop for two whole years before Israel attacked Iran!

So? Hezbollah work for Iran and the work they do for Iran is to keep attacking Israel.

SisterTeatime · 04/04/2026 19:30

SummerFeverVenice · 04/04/2026 19:25

They are attacking Lebanon because Hezbollah is attacking them in support of Iran, but you must know that too.

Amazing foresight given that Israel has been bombing and invading Lebanon nonstop for two whole years before Israel attacked Iran!

Do you think Hezbollah has only just started firing rockets into Israel?