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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel’s message- don’t hide Muslims

40 replies

justanotherpassword · 04/04/2026 08:54

Article in the NY times. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/01/world/middleeast/lebanon-shiite-israel-evacuation.html

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TomeTome · 04/04/2026 22:19

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 14:52

I appreciate that for some people Israel and the US are as much of a security risk as Iran and their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah appear to me.

However, you don't speak for "the rest of the world" - Israel and the US have many who support them too.

i wasn’t “speaking for” the rest of the world. The economic and political stability of the world has been negatively impacted by the behaviour of Israel and the US. It less of an opinion and more of a fact that they risk our security and prosperity.

SummerFeverVenice · 06/04/2026 07:58

SisterTeatime · 04/04/2026 19:30

Do you think Hezbollah has only just started firing rockets into Israel?

I know they started after Israel began carpet bombing Gaza. They then stopped during the one-sided ceasefire that Israel ignored. They have now have started up again after Israel and the US attacked Iran.

So to say that Israel attacked Iran because Hezbollah was firing rockets is putting the cart before the horse.

SummerFeverVenice · 06/04/2026 08:05

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 19:11

The common denominator is Iran who funds them both.

I'm sure you already know some reasons why the US & Israel are at war with Iran so why ask? They are attacking Lebanon because Hezbollah is attacking them in support of Iran, but you must know that too.

Edited to add that I will agree that Israel committed genocide when and if the international court case determines that they did so. They have access to all the information and evidence, I don't.

Edited

Oh and here I was recalling Israel funding Hamas to the tune of $200 million to destabilise the moderate, peaceful Palestinian authority. Money that was used to assassinate Palestinian Authority officials in Gaza and bring Gaza under the control of the Hamas gang. A criminal terrorist gang that Israel purposely funded and allowed to flourish.

Or at least that is what the historians say
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

Israeli support for Hamas - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

Ihatetomatoes · 06/04/2026 09:18

SummerFeverVenice · 06/04/2026 07:58

I know they started after Israel began carpet bombing Gaza. They then stopped during the one-sided ceasefire that Israel ignored. They have now have started up again after Israel and the US attacked Iran.

So to say that Israel attacked Iran because Hezbollah was firing rockets is putting the cart before the horse.

Edited

The day after the largest terrorist attack on Israel which occurred on the 7th October 2023, Hezbollah started firing guided rockets and artillery shells at Israeli positions in the Shebaa Farms, which it said was in solidarity with Palestinians following the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel and beginning of Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip. So Israel hadn't even got itself together and gathered up it's slaughtered and injured and established how many were kidnapped.

So basically they joined in the day after. No country would ignore those significant attacks.

Ellen2shoes · 06/04/2026 10:50

It’s disgusting that Israel is specifically attacking Shia Muslims and openly declaring this intent to ethnically cleanse with impunity. Katz says that the invasion of Lebanon will follow the Gaza model - the sinister normalisation in that phrase is in itself horrendous - so expect massacre, ethnic cleansing with targeted attacks on residential homes, civilian infrastructure, journalists and schools. All under the cover of the noisy war in Iran and with barely any media coverage.

shuddacuddadidnt · 06/04/2026 11:16

I'm sure you already know some reasons why the US & Israel are at war with Iran so why ask?

Given that Trump himself, the stopper of seven or ten (number keeps changing) wars doesn't appear to know why the US and Israel are at war with Iran, it seems a tad unfair to expect the poster to know.

If you do, please enlighten the world. <look it up does not constitute an answer>.

cantgardenintherain · 06/04/2026 11:17

How awful Israel is, even if plenty of its citizens aren’t.

200yearsinthemaking · 07/04/2026 19:03

Ihatetomatoes · 06/04/2026 09:18

The day after the largest terrorist attack on Israel which occurred on the 7th October 2023, Hezbollah started firing guided rockets and artillery shells at Israeli positions in the Shebaa Farms, which it said was in solidarity with Palestinians following the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel and beginning of Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip. So Israel hadn't even got itself together and gathered up it's slaughtered and injured and established how many were kidnapped.

So basically they joined in the day after. No country would ignore those significant attacks.

Go back and read up on what was happening in the 1980s in Lebanon. After the 1948 Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were shoved into Lebanon. Some in Lebanon supported them and out of this grew terrorist groups. There had already been Jewish and Palestinian terrorist groups in the 20 or so odd years since the Mandate in 1920 - this is worth reading up on too. Hezbollah came out of this. The areas of Lebanon affected were a war zone for years, children shot at, families broken apart, normal people living in utter hell for years. It is written up as a ME issue but in fact the arms and the bombing were coming from many countrie and the bombing from the sea allegedly from the US. What has changed? Absolutely nothing. It is an absolute disgrace. It is decades of deals being done behind the scenes, secret geopolitics, no one even in power being entirely clear what is going on or having any control over the situation.

Hezbollah grew out of those conflicts. I was reading how the leader of Hamas in 2023 had spent more of his life including childhood in an Israeli prison than out of it. And the point is, it is in this context that Hezbollah and Hamas exist, and 2023 happened. Saying this is not supporting them. It is pointing out that 1948 had consequences. The fighting before that had consequences. Beirut in the 1980s had consequnces. The many, many, many bombings and assassinations over the years by all parties have consequences.

What is going on now in Lebanon and Iran and the ME wider will have consequences.

You are being ridiculously narrow minded to think that just one single event should righteously have consequences and only non-Israeli groups deserve censure.

The only thing all of us should be saying is - how can this situation have been left for so long? And now for the first time ever you have all countries including Iran, Lebanon, middle east, Europe, Asia, the whole f-ing world, even Hamas, backing or accepting peace via a 2 state solution and what do Israel and the US do? They start another war. A really awful war. A really "big fat" war as Trump would say.

Why would they do that? How can you possibly think there is moral high ground there?

The only reason why certain groups are proscribed and some are not is a tool by governments to stop support for them within their populations. It is irrelevant as to what should happen in terms of world politics. Didn't Clinton and Blair negotiate with NI proscribed terrorists? Yes. Yes they did.

So stop messing around with people's lives and petty allegiances and start supporting peace.

The only way we are going to get peace now is for enough world leaders to stand united to stop what is going on in Lebanon and Iran, and to get a 2 state solution and peace terms agreed, and to allow Palestinians decide what happens in the new Palestine including Gaza.

And to stop Israel being allowed to hang Palestinians.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 22:19

200yearsinthemaking · 07/04/2026 19:03

Go back and read up on what was happening in the 1980s in Lebanon. After the 1948 Nakba, thousands of Palestinians were shoved into Lebanon. Some in Lebanon supported them and out of this grew terrorist groups. There had already been Jewish and Palestinian terrorist groups in the 20 or so odd years since the Mandate in 1920 - this is worth reading up on too. Hezbollah came out of this. The areas of Lebanon affected were a war zone for years, children shot at, families broken apart, normal people living in utter hell for years. It is written up as a ME issue but in fact the arms and the bombing were coming from many countrie and the bombing from the sea allegedly from the US. What has changed? Absolutely nothing. It is an absolute disgrace. It is decades of deals being done behind the scenes, secret geopolitics, no one even in power being entirely clear what is going on or having any control over the situation.

Hezbollah grew out of those conflicts. I was reading how the leader of Hamas in 2023 had spent more of his life including childhood in an Israeli prison than out of it. And the point is, it is in this context that Hezbollah and Hamas exist, and 2023 happened. Saying this is not supporting them. It is pointing out that 1948 had consequences. The fighting before that had consequences. Beirut in the 1980s had consequnces. The many, many, many bombings and assassinations over the years by all parties have consequences.

What is going on now in Lebanon and Iran and the ME wider will have consequences.

You are being ridiculously narrow minded to think that just one single event should righteously have consequences and only non-Israeli groups deserve censure.

The only thing all of us should be saying is - how can this situation have been left for so long? And now for the first time ever you have all countries including Iran, Lebanon, middle east, Europe, Asia, the whole f-ing world, even Hamas, backing or accepting peace via a 2 state solution and what do Israel and the US do? They start another war. A really awful war. A really "big fat" war as Trump would say.

Why would they do that? How can you possibly think there is moral high ground there?

The only reason why certain groups are proscribed and some are not is a tool by governments to stop support for them within their populations. It is irrelevant as to what should happen in terms of world politics. Didn't Clinton and Blair negotiate with NI proscribed terrorists? Yes. Yes they did.

So stop messing around with people's lives and petty allegiances and start supporting peace.

The only way we are going to get peace now is for enough world leaders to stand united to stop what is going on in Lebanon and Iran, and to get a 2 state solution and peace terms agreed, and to allow Palestinians decide what happens in the new Palestine including Gaza.

And to stop Israel being allowed to hang Palestinians.

Edited

I replied to a claim made by another poster.

You have basically ignored what I replied to, and chucked a load of accusations and said things I have never claimed or said. What's the point of that. Serves no purpose but perhaps you feel better now? I find posters who engage in a calmer, more reasoned manner get replies.

Ellen2shoes · 07/04/2026 22:57

It isn’t about you

hkathy · 08/04/2026 16:31

The mental gymnastics you have to do to defend Israel’s every single action is actually quite amazing to watch.

TomeTome · 01/05/2026 10:06

hkathy · 08/04/2026 16:31

The mental gymnastics you have to do to defend Israel’s every single action is actually quite amazing to watch.

I would say nauseating to watch.

Mumsntfan1 · 01/05/2026 10:11

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 14:20

I wonder what the reaction would be if all Jews were being removed from a 'buffer zone' around the West Bank because of the actions of Jewish terrorists there? Some Jewish people aren't innocent are they so it's not an 'excuse' it's reality.

I don't think anyone would argue that Palestinians wouldn't be safer without Jewish people there. Is it right to ethnically cleanse them all of them because of the actions of some of them though? I'd hope that the answer would be obvious.

Edited

All Jews were removed from Gaza in 2005.

200yearsinthemaking · 02/05/2026 20:26

Mumsntfan1 · 01/05/2026 10:11

All Jews were removed from Gaza in 2005.

That isn't an equivalent scenario, but just to be clear, according to wiki:

Sharon dismantled israeli settlements in 2005, [..] Sharon said that his plan was designed to improve Israel's security and international status in the absence of political negotiations.

Shortly thereafter, [..] Israel imposed a land, air and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip, turning it into an "open-air prison".

Have a look at what has happened since then, the decisions made in 2009 and made public about battering public services so as to weaken possibility of organised reprisals etc

At the end of the day, the war was and is horrific for all civilians. Both Palestinians and Jewish civilians deserve and want peace. Back a fair and equal 2 state solution with Palestinians being in full charge of their state and all parties and all surrounding countries to have boundaries respected and no more attacks.

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