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Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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CanAnybodyFindMe · 31/03/2026 14:07

“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

Itamar Ben-Gvir wearing a black suit, red tie and white kippah, talking on a podium in front of Israeli flags

Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks face death penalty under new Israeli law

The new law, passed on Monday, was pushed hard by the far-right and Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

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Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 09:12

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 09:10

more extreme element amongst you.
Ah here fgs we are individuals posting here, you need to stop seeing us as a homogenous group because we have some similar views on things. Anyone posting extreme views on something it is on that poster not anybody else I hope that is clear. I have often reported extreme antisemitic views and seen those posts deleted so no need to insinuate people always let these stand

I'm saying the exact opposite of you being a homogenous group.

I'm making the point that some posters are much more extreme in their views than others.

Emilesgran · 30/04/2026 09:17

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 08:53

I was highlighting that they were clear about it. You have said a lot to justify the deaths and have repeated a lot of Israeli propoganda. I don't believe you want more deaths because I doubt you are a psyochpath but it can be hard to read constant justifications for deaths that have occurred.

I will also say again that you do not get posters here justifying innocent Israeli deaths and I find it difficult to undertsand how people standing up for innocent palestinains are instanty labelled anti Israel. What is it about people standing up for innocent palestinian civilains that people find so offensive?

“I was highlighting that they were clear about it.”

Seriously? Is that what you thought the question was - whether or not the PP had been clear?
You're not posting in good faith here.

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 09:28

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 09:11

Of course I believe the victims of sexual violence. Do you not?

It is my first reaction to believe rape victims but there has to be some evidence. Is there a single reputable organisation that accepts the allegation made by some individuals that Israel trained dogs to rape Palestinians?

I found a UN Special Committee* appointed by the General Assembly to investigate Israeli practices in Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967 who said it was horrified by violations against Palestinians in Israeli custody.

They did find "intimidation through the use of dogs by Israeli security forces,” - no mention of using dogs to rape people though.

www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/06/un-special-committee-israeli-practices-occupied-territories-concludes-field

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 09:34

Emilesgran · 30/04/2026 09:17

“I was highlighting that they were clear about it.”

Seriously? Is that what you thought the question was - whether or not the PP had been clear?
You're not posting in good faith here.

You're not posting in good faith here.

Oh I am and I always have done.

Stirabout · 30/04/2026 09:49

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 09:28

It is my first reaction to believe rape victims but there has to be some evidence. Is there a single reputable organisation that accepts the allegation made by some individuals that Israel trained dogs to rape Palestinians?

I found a UN Special Committee* appointed by the General Assembly to investigate Israeli practices in Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967 who said it was horrified by violations against Palestinians in Israeli custody.

They did find "intimidation through the use of dogs by Israeli security forces,” - no mention of using dogs to rape people though.

www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/06/un-special-committee-israeli-practices-occupied-territories-concludes-field

.None of us can know the truth on this

heres wiki for the basics

‘ Allegations from Detainees and Human Rights Groups
Testimonies of Sexual Assault: Released detainees have reported incidents of sexual violence involving dogs. For example, a man who spoke to the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR)alleged that soldiers forced a dog to climb on and "rape" him after he was stripped naked. Other accounts shared via Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor and describe prisoners being forced into positions for sexual assault by police dogs.
Whistleblower Statements: Shaiel Ben-Ephraim, a former Israeli soldier and geopolitical analyst, reported speaking with guards at the Sde Teiman detention facility who claimed that colleagues used dogs to sexually abuse captives. He characterized the evidence of these practices as "overwhelming."
Reports of Systematic Abuse: Human rights organizations such as B’Tselem and SOMO have documented a pattern where dogs are used to threaten, intimidate, and attack civilians and prisoners. These reports often frame the use of dogs as part of a broader system of "calculated cruelty" and torture. 1, 2, 3, 4]
Official Responses and Counter-Claims
Denials and Dismissals: Israeli officials and some media watchdog groups, such as HonestReporting, have dismissed these claims as "baseless lies" and "dehumanizing propaganda." They argue there is no evidence or training framework for conditioning animals to perform sexual acts and compare the allegations to historical "blood libels."
Legal and Institutional Defense: The Israel Prison Service and the IDF generally maintain that they operate according to the law. In some high-profile cases of sexual assault at Sde Teiman (such as a 2024 incident involving soldiers), investigations were launched, though critics argue that accountability remains limited.
International Oversight: Organizations like the United Nations and the BBC have documented broader patterns of torture—including the use of dogs for intimidation and "menacing"—

but have noted the difficulty in verifying specific sexual assault claims due to the secretive nature of military detention sites like Sde Teiman. 1, 2, 3]

The debate remains polarized: human rights groups cite consistent survivor testimonies as proof of a systemic practice, while Israeli authorities and supporters reject them as fabricated narratives designed to demonize the military.’

Then heres an extract from your link

Israel’s persistent refusal to hold credible dialogue with the UN Committee illustrates its unwillingness to be held accountable for the actions and policies it pursues in the occupied Palestinian territory,” the Special Committee said.

We saw footage of the gang rape by the IDF of a detainee. Or at least we saw him dragged behind a screen with several Israelis joining the group. The Israeli guards were not found guilty by Israel

FromAlJazeera on that case

‘ Others, including the hard right and ultranationalist politicians, such as National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, within Israel, have argued that any action – even gang rape – is permissible if it is undertaken for the security of the state.’

On being asked by Ahmad Tibi, one of the Arab MPs within the Israeli Knesset last week if it was legitimate “to insert a stick into a person’s rectum”, Hanoch Milwidsky, a member of Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud party, responded: “If he is a Nukhba [Hamas militant], everything is legitimate to do! Everything!”

Unleashing terror: Dutch dogs in Israel’s war crimes - SOMO

⚠️ Trigger warning: This article contains descriptions of extreme violence, including attacks by military dogs, physical abuse, and psychological trauma. It features testimonies from victims, some of which describe violence against children. It’s early...

https://www.somo.nl/unleashing-terror-dutch-dogs-in-israels-war-crimes/

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 10:03

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 09:28

It is my first reaction to believe rape victims but there has to be some evidence. Is there a single reputable organisation that accepts the allegation made by some individuals that Israel trained dogs to rape Palestinians?

I found a UN Special Committee* appointed by the General Assembly to investigate Israeli practices in Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967 who said it was horrified by violations against Palestinians in Israeli custody.

They did find "intimidation through the use of dogs by Israeli security forces,” - no mention of using dogs to rape people though.

www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/06/un-special-committee-israeli-practices-occupied-territories-concludes-field

What kind of evidence do you want from secure facilities entirely controlled by Israel? Israel denies entry and inspection to their detention camps by all independent and international aid organisations. Why do you think this is? There are 100s of testimonies of extreme sexual violence from Israeli soldiers towards Palestinians multiple that include dogs. We even saw the 'right to rape' protests in Israel after soldiers were caught on camera. I don't believe that all of these people are lying, I don't believe an organisation that systematically uses sexual violence(as found by the UN) over their victims, I don't believe an organisation that uses sexual assault as standard operating procedures toward Palestinians(as found by the UN) over their victims.

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/7022/%E2%80%9CAnother-genocide-behind-walls%E2%80%9D:-New-report-documents-testimonies-of-rape-and-sexual-violence-in-Israeli-prisons

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202601_living_hell

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/torture-and-genocide-report-francesca-albanese-a-hrc-61-71/

www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/03/more-human-can-bear-israels-systematic-use-sexual-reproductive-and-other

“Another genocide behind walls”: New report documents testimonies of rape and sexual violence in Israeli prisons

Sexual violence against Palestinians in Israeli prisons and detention centres is a de facto state policy, used as a tool of subjugation and destruction

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/7022/%E2%80%9CAnother-genocide-behind-walls%E2%80%9D:-New-report-documents-testimonies-of-rape-and-sexual-violence-in-Israeli-prisons

Stirabout · 30/04/2026 10:13

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 10:03

What kind of evidence do you want from secure facilities entirely controlled by Israel? Israel denies entry and inspection to their detention camps by all independent and international aid organisations. Why do you think this is? There are 100s of testimonies of extreme sexual violence from Israeli soldiers towards Palestinians multiple that include dogs. We even saw the 'right to rape' protests in Israel after soldiers were caught on camera. I don't believe that all of these people are lying, I don't believe an organisation that systematically uses sexual violence(as found by the UN) over their victims, I don't believe an organisation that uses sexual assault as standard operating procedures toward Palestinians(as found by the UN) over their victims.

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/7022/%E2%80%9CAnother-genocide-behind-walls%E2%80%9D:-New-report-documents-testimonies-of-rape-and-sexual-violence-in-Israeli-prisons

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202601_living_hell

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/torture-and-genocide-report-francesca-albanese-a-hrc-61-71/

www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/03/more-human-can-bear-israels-systematic-use-sexual-reproductive-and-other

Agree
heres another related thread on mumsnet aswell

Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks
Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks
Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 10:17

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 08:09

On a thread about CITME, again pretty hypocritical statement coming from a poster that posts and starts more threads than anyone else here

You would have a point if all my threads were about attacking one particular country but they aren’t. My threads on the CITME board tend to be general ones to discuss developments in the conflicts.

I wouldn’t start a thread just attacking Palestinians. That would be inflammatory in my opinion and just wrong.

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 10:31

I wouldn’t start a thread just attacking Palestinians.
Has there been a thread just attacking Israeli people?

The one you're currently on is looking at a particular controversial law that is considered to be discriminatory so many wanted it debated.

Edited to tag @Twiglets1

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 10:35

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 10:17

You would have a point if all my threads were about attacking one particular country but they aren’t. My threads on the CITME board tend to be general ones to discuss developments in the conflicts.

I wouldn’t start a thread just attacking Palestinians. That would be inflammatory in my opinion and just wrong.

My threads on the CITME board tend to be general ones to discuss developments in the conflicts.

It could be argued that your threads are why this section is still active, the section may well have fizzled out long ago without them.

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 10:45

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 10:31

I wouldn’t start a thread just attacking Palestinians.
Has there been a thread just attacking Israeli people?

The one you're currently on is looking at a particular controversial law that is considered to be discriminatory so many wanted it debated.

Edited to tag @Twiglets1

Edited

It's interesting that a thread discussing a law what is widely acknowledged to be discriminatory against Palestinians is seen as attacking Israelis rather than defending Palestinians. Centering Israelis in everything even a law that will see Palestinians killed is crazy work. Palestinians might be hung from the gallows and it's still why are you attacking Israelis with your words? Palestinians really just don't matter to some.

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 11:12

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 10:35

My threads on the CITME board tend to be general ones to discuss developments in the conflicts.

It could be argued that your threads are why this section is still active, the section may well have fizzled out long ago without them.

You're welcome.

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 11:27

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 11:12

You're welcome.

Oh I never said that it was a positive

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 11:34

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 10:45

It's interesting that a thread discussing a law what is widely acknowledged to be discriminatory against Palestinians is seen as attacking Israelis rather than defending Palestinians. Centering Israelis in everything even a law that will see Palestinians killed is crazy work. Palestinians might be hung from the gallows and it's still why are you attacking Israelis with your words? Palestinians really just don't matter to some.

Edited

Did I say that? No I didn't.

I never even mentioned this thread in reference to attacking Israelis or defending Palestinians.

Boolabus is the one who made that connection.

My point was only that I personally have never started a thread purely to attack Gaza or Iran, because @Boolabus seemed to think I am anti those countries (if we can call Gaza a country for the purposes of this debate) just because I start threads about the war in Gaza or Iran.

If I have an obsession, it's with terrorists that attack other countries for decades via proxies. Nothing to do with Palestinians generally, or Iranians either.

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 11:37

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 11:27

Oh I never said that it was a positive

Yet you are choosing to engage and contribute to discussions? Why do that if you don't want this section of MN to exist?

Ellen2shoes · 30/04/2026 11:44

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 10:45

It's interesting that a thread discussing a law what is widely acknowledged to be discriminatory against Palestinians is seen as attacking Israelis rather than defending Palestinians. Centering Israelis in everything even a law that will see Palestinians killed is crazy work. Palestinians might be hung from the gallows and it's still why are you attacking Israelis with your words? Palestinians really just don't matter to some.

Edited

It is the standard form of derailment on here.

Stirabout · 30/04/2026 12:00

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 11:37

Yet you are choosing to engage and contribute to discussions? Why do that if you don't want this section of MN to exist?

Guessing @Boolabus you are engaging to prevent one sided opinions
Sometimes it’s just got to be done

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 12:47

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 11:37

Yet you are choosing to engage and contribute to discussions? Why do that if you don't want this section of MN to exist?

Because it does exist! I would prefer that this section didn't and the debates were not hidden away in this section with very little traffic. Thankfully though the situation in Gaza and the West Bank is moving more into mainstream dialogue outside of mn.

@Stirabout Guessing you are engaging to prevent one sided opinions
Sometimes it’s just got to be done Yes absolutely it is difficult to let some comments go unchallenged

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 12:49

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 11:34

Did I say that? No I didn't.

I never even mentioned this thread in reference to attacking Israelis or defending Palestinians.

Boolabus is the one who made that connection.

My point was only that I personally have never started a thread purely to attack Gaza or Iran, because @Boolabus seemed to think I am anti those countries (if we can call Gaza a country for the purposes of this debate) just because I start threads about the war in Gaza or Iran.

If I have an obsession, it's with terrorists that attack other countries for decades via proxies. Nothing to do with Palestinians generally, or Iranians either.

because boolabus seemed to think I am anti those countries
Where are you getting that from?

if we can call Gaza a country for the purposes of this debate
Well it is Palestine Gaza is one part of the state of Palestine

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 13:24

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 11:34

Did I say that? No I didn't.

I never even mentioned this thread in reference to attacking Israelis or defending Palestinians.

Boolabus is the one who made that connection.

My point was only that I personally have never started a thread purely to attack Gaza or Iran, because @Boolabus seemed to think I am anti those countries (if we can call Gaza a country for the purposes of this debate) just because I start threads about the war in Gaza or Iran.

If I have an obsession, it's with terrorists that attack other countries for decades via proxies. Nothing to do with Palestinians generally, or Iranians either.

This is all opinion though. You think that people are making threads purely to attack Israelis. In your opinion your threads don't purely attack Gaza or Iran but I'm sure you can see that some people might have a different opinion on your very frequent postings on anything but the wrongdoings of Israel. They might have an opinion just like you have of others on your posting off topic across most threads that discuss Palestinians as victims. Some people see a post talking about Palestinian victims and think shit that's really horrible, this should be spoken about and amplified, others see those posts as demonising Israelis and want all discussion shut down/changed and don't really see the victims that are being spoken about at all. It's just different perspectives.

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 13:46

FloralDeerPattern · 30/04/2026 13:24

This is all opinion though. You think that people are making threads purely to attack Israelis. In your opinion your threads don't purely attack Gaza or Iran but I'm sure you can see that some people might have a different opinion on your very frequent postings on anything but the wrongdoings of Israel. They might have an opinion just like you have of others on your posting off topic across most threads that discuss Palestinians as victims. Some people see a post talking about Palestinian victims and think shit that's really horrible, this should be spoken about and amplified, others see those posts as demonising Israelis and want all discussion shut down/changed and don't really see the victims that are being spoken about at all. It's just different perspectives.

Edited

No it's not opinion that I never even mentioned this thread in reference to attacking Israelis or defending Palestinians.

That's fact.

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 13:55

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 12:47

Because it does exist! I would prefer that this section didn't and the debates were not hidden away in this section with very little traffic. Thankfully though the situation in Gaza and the West Bank is moving more into mainstream dialogue outside of mn.

@Stirabout Guessing you are engaging to prevent one sided opinions
Sometimes it’s just got to be done Yes absolutely it is difficult to let some comments go unchallenged

Because it exists you join debates that help the thing keep on growing?

Seriously, if you don't enjoy the debates then step away from them.

I too would prefer these debates were more mainstream because it can feel a bit hostile on this board tbh and the pro Israel supporters are outnumbered. Not many Jewish people ever post on here - have you noticed that? When I post on AIBU there are far more different opinions expressed and it's a more welcoming space for Jewish people to talk.

But - the board existed before I first posted on here a couple of years ago and it will continue to exist I expect for as long as there is conflict in the middle east.

Alexandra2001 · 30/04/2026 14:07

Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 13:55

Because it exists you join debates that help the thing keep on growing?

Seriously, if you don't enjoy the debates then step away from them.

I too would prefer these debates were more mainstream because it can feel a bit hostile on this board tbh and the pro Israel supporters are outnumbered. Not many Jewish people ever post on here - have you noticed that? When I post on AIBU there are far more different opinions expressed and it's a more welcoming space for Jewish people to talk.

But - the board existed before I first posted on here a couple of years ago and it will continue to exist I expect for as long as there is conflict in the middle east.

Out numbered? really?

Pretty much everyone is pro Israeli, apart from a few crackpots the vast majority support Israel's right to exist flourish in a peaceful environment.

What (some) people are against is this slaughter of Palestinians/Gazan's and now the Lebanese.

It is beyond me how (some) posters on here cannot condemn the 80k + killed in Gaza and the almost wholescale destruction of homes, hospitals, power & water facilities.

Stirabout · 30/04/2026 14:21

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Twiglets1 · 30/04/2026 14:27

Boolabus · 30/04/2026 12:49

because boolabus seemed to think I am anti those countries
Where are you getting that from?

if we can call Gaza a country for the purposes of this debate
Well it is Palestine Gaza is one part of the state of Palestine

@Boolabus at 8.03 today Marty said Calling out the horrendous actions of a government does not make you anti that country .

I replied: But an obsession with that one country does.

You then called me a hypocrite for saying that because you think I have an obsession with one or two countries. You base this opinion on me starting threads - even though my threads are general ones rather than ones comparable to This is the reality of what Israel is doing now (part 7). That is a thread that is anti one country; my threads aren't like that.

I took the implication to be you believe I am anti the countries I am "obsessed with" because I start threads on this board about wars Israel are involved with in Gaza or Iran.