Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

[CanAnybodyFindMe]

“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

No after Oct 7 there was an escalation in Israels military action. You said in terms of military action it all started then. I'm saying it clearly didn't when Israel were bombing Gaza for days in the weeks prior to Oct 7 they escalated their military action after Oct 7 but that wasnt the start of anythung. Israels military action in Gaza has been ongoing for longer than I have been alive.

'Israels military action in Gaza has been ongoing for longer than I have been alive.'

You need to read up on this a bit. They pulled all Israelis out of gaza in 2006, even bodies in cemeteries. They left the gazans to it, to flourish with millions in aid yet they blew it all on weapons and building all their tunnels then kept killing Israelis.

What should Israel do, just let them? Of course they retaliated before Oct 7th and after. We should be thanking them for getting rid of some of the suicidal lunatics in hamas.

@Stirabout ’Nothing happens in a vacuum’.
Correct.

October 7th.
The destruction of Gaza.
Death penalty for terrorists.

It makes you 'cringe' when people point out the unpalatable truth that many other countries have the death penalty?

How many threads have you started to protest about those countries? 1, 5, none? If it is none please ask yourself why.

The outrage about Israel is a bit selective, no? I wonder why.

Israelis not living in Gaza is completely irrelevant

look at the stats with an open mind
check out the injured and murdered by Israel with an open mind

Here’s a snippet to start you off from 2008 to 2020, so post your well there aren’t any Israelis in Gaza now
And
during your period of so called left to flourish

( posted multiple times across the CEM threads already. Amazed you missed it, surprised you don’t already know it )

RTT
pre
October 7th

Let’s not pick and chose conveniently

A couple of things: Hamas had been firing rockets into Israel from Gaza for years - any military actions aimed at trying to stop that is perfectly legal, and no other country would be expected to just put up with having rockets fired from over the border without responding. But what happened on Oct 7th was a completely different type of act, and it's clearly illegal and a war crime.

So Israel's invasion was in response to a war crime - and a war crime that Hamas promised to carry out over and over again - and that needs to be taken into account when considering what they did. It doesn't justify everything by any means, but anyone who claims that previous Israeli actions were the precursors to Hamas' massacre is justifying a war crime. Nothing can justify an attack like that EXCEPT if those civilians were actively threatening people's lives - and clearly they weren't.

A second thing is that Hamas didn't attack the far right settlers, they attacked the remains of the Israeli peace movement, the kibbutzim and peace activists like Vivian Silver and Oded Lifschitz. IMO that's not a coincidence - they did it because they wanted to kill the peace movement. Because Hamas doesn't want peace - they want dead Palestinians for the propaganda value. So the attack was against the very section of Israeli society that was most likely to want to reach a peaceful compromise with Palestinians. They were a soft target, not the people who were a threat to Palestinians.

If you're Israeli, there's a lesson there - and I don't think it's a lesson that incites to compromise and peace.

@Stirabout ’murdered by Israel’.

Doesn’t sound like you are open minded.

My understanding was the cringe factor is the constant
‘whataboutery ’
to justify
abhorrent actions by the Israeli Government

Because Theres no justification for the death penalty
The whataboutery on this thread seems to be all supporters of the Israeli Government have left to try and justify it
Nevertheless

It was clear what @CanAnybodyFindMe was referring to

And again
easy and simple visual you must have missed
for reference

Losing a war you started doesn't make you right. Otherwise Hitler would be a victim.

Anyone who can look at the this picture and side with the perpetrators, or think "Yeah, I can see how you would do that to someone" is not someone I would want to meet in real life:

Open minded enough to have opinions based on statistics and research
on reading many different opinions and not just ‘the propaganda’ of some
and unbiased enough to understand the true motives of Israel… ie the destruction of Palestine

Im also open minded enough to not see October 7th in isolation
I’m not scared to seek the real truth
See my pp on that

Oh 'whataboutery', aka as perspective. Why only be outraged by the death penalty in this one country? A country constantly targeted by 'from the river to sea' jihaidi lunatics.

Object to the death penalty full stop. Not just when Israel impose it.

Your Comment has nothing to do with those figures from 2008 to 2020
???
why tag me with an irrelevant comment

Not sure why this didn't work before:
Anyone who can look at the this picture and side with the perpetrators, or think "Yeah, I can see how you would do that to someone" is not someone I would want to meet in real life:

Anyone who can look at the this picture and side with the perpetrators, or think "Yeah, I can see how you would do that to someone" is not someone I would want to meet in real life:

Says who the 'hamas lead health ministry'? Must be true then.

'Statista aggregates casualty numbers from Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH)' from a cursory Google.

Again
whataboutery was the reason the pp tagged
Its relevant to the way posters are ‘perhaps’ seeking justification

There is no way to justify the death penalty

Of note
Im not sure why you assume myself or anyone is justifying the death penalty in any country
Please point out posts that say that

This thread is about a new death penalty in Israel
So we’ll talk about that Thankyou

I'm not suggesting you are 'justifying it' in other countries, just as always folk only seem to object when Israel do something.

Why is that?

Unfortunately pro Israeli supporters often don’t believe data from anyone other than Israel so I’m afraid I can’t help with a lack of acceptance of research institutes
Anything by the UN is shouted down too on these threads

If only favoured news sources that support Israel is acceptable then all we’ll be told is Israeli propaganda

critical thinking is everything to gain a true understanding

Would you care to explain what you mean by the “double standards and hypocrisy of the Islamists“?

Who are the “Islamists” you are referring o in this context?

I disagree Gloriia

I very much doubt anyone who disagrees with the Death penalty in Israel thinks it’s fine in other countries
I certainly don’t
Its just This thread is about it’s introduction in Israel
We don’t all have to talk about it everywhere because that’s not what This thread is about

It’s also worth noting that whilst Twiglets has spoken out against it I don’t see other regular pro Israeli posters doing the same. They simply resort to
but
but

apologies if I’ve missed anyone out there btw

No, It’s obvious that isn’t what I mean. It makes me cringe when people use the fact that other countries have the death penalty to excuse Israel bringing in the death penalty for Palestinians.

How many times do we hear Israel is the only democracy in the middle east? Israel is the west’s ally because its values are western values? Now suddenly it’s all great to have the death penalty because other countries do too. And of course let’s ignore the apartheid nature of this law because, well just because it suits your argument.

I also find the not very subtle hints that anyone criticising this law is antisemitic pathetic.

It says clearly statista gets their stats from hamas!

'Now suddenly it’s all great to have the death penalty because other countries do'

Or, suddenly people are outraged about the death penalty only when Israel impose it.

Who has said the death penalty is 'great'?